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  1. These are not inexpensive diecasts, but are white metal or resin-cast models brimming with detail. There is a difference, in price, in quality, and how one who collects them bristles when the casual onlooker calls them "toys".  ;)

     

    American Excellence released this '57 Caballero a few years ago in resin, and here it's mated with Brooklin's 1961 Airstream Bambi. It's a lilliputian twin to Centurion's BoS 1/18th model he so capably pictured recently.

     

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    From what many collectors consider the "Golden Era" of white metal models, Conquest Models' 1957 Roadmaster 75 Riviera Sedan was produced in very limited runs, in the low-hundreds. Although the headlight bezels should be painted body color, it's a fine example of a vintage 1990 white metal model that has stood the test of time. Its travel mate here is Brooklin's 1958 Shasta AirFlyte, with wings!

     

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    If you're wondering how to capture models in "realistic" surroundings like this, it's no secret, anyone can do it. Shoot a background (for depth of field), put it against your "roadway" (which can be as simple as grey matte board, in this case, a bit more elaborate), shoot at about four feet at F32, focusing about a third of the way into the subject, and you're done. No Photoshop or post-production, although I do use a program to sharpen and contrast the image.

     

    I shoot these in my carport for the natural, diffused light, with only a reflector made of aluminum foil, spray-mounted on foamcore.

     

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    This is USA Models' 1958 Fleetwood 75 Limousine, detailed with Bare Metal Foil to resemble its much more expensive Motor City brethren, again from the early-'90's. The driveway is just grey matte board.

     

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    While modern resin models offer much more detail, the longevity of their finely wrought and delicate, photo-etched parts remains to be seen. The shoot for the Caballero above was the first time it was off its plinth and out of the box since its purchase about three years ago.

     

    As a generalist in both models and 1:1 cars, I count on one hand the number of my Buick 1/43rd scale models. I'm confident that Centurion will hop on board and post some of his vast collection of postwar 1/43rd Buicks. His 1/43rd scale dealership is a sight to behold!

     

    Still playing with cars after all these years,

     

    TG

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  2. Count me among the lovers of the '73. I like the massive front and flattened rear bumper, always have since they were new. That doesn't help the OP's question though.

     

    Zipdang,

     

    You really should ask this question below in Buick General or  Riviera Forums (scroll down). Folks either love the '71-'72 (and '73) or they hate 'em. With the '71 you get the purity of that Gen's first design; louvered/ventilated trunk, engine-turned (plasticene) dash, the shock factor of the styling. 

     

    Check the condition of the plastic engine-turned dash fascia.  Ask Buick owners, check ebay like others have said.

     

    What color is it? Some, of course, are better than others. 

    http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/aclchip.aspx?image=1971-Buick-pg01.jpg

     

    Buckets, bench seat?

    http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Buick/1971_Buick/1971_Buick_Brochure/1971%20Buick-05.html

     

    Don't expect to hit the lottery with the car, ever, but enjoy it as the FINE, powerful, luxury tourer that it is.

     

    TG

  3. Boxwood Manor is a Century Farm (owned by the same family for at least 100 years) from 1790 in nearby Pendleton, SC, and both celebrate 225 years in 2015. The same family has owned the house since 1790. They had a Christmas open house yesterday with a small car show, so a friend drove his '63 LeMans, and I took the Roadmistress. Afterwards, we both headed to a gas station near the lake and topped off the tanks with non-ethanol.

     

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    It was very Buick-y (Century Farm, 225 years) and a beautiful day, warm in the sun, cool in the shade.

     

    TG 

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    Late to post, but the Roadmistress was invited to the Ferrari Club's SC Chapter Memorial Day Weekend Concorso last Saturday. She mingled with Ferraris and other foreign exotics, plus a handful of American Iron, and acquitted herself quite well. 

     

    65 cars were scattered on the park-like grounds of a nearby private residence, with a very pleasant, low-key crowd.

     

    What fun!

     

    TG 

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  5. Now that I'm looking at the top of the windshield frame, why does it have locating pins for a convertible top if it never had a top?

    Matt,

    I noticed that, too. Closer inspection would probably reveal an actual header with locating pins from a donor 'vert. Easier to make work than fabricating from scratch.

    Curt,

    Maybe the windows operate by voice-command. Hadn't even noticed lack of window cranks.

    Still, I'm sure it served its owner's purposes for many years and will continue to do so for the next.

    It's striking in appearance and how many people would really know its pedigree going by at 3 mph?

    That is, except us here, the CCCA, the WPC and Imperial Clubs...

    TG

  6. I checked my Harrah's Rosters from '63, '65 and '67, and no 1942 Chrysler Derham Parade Car (they did have a '46 Saratoga Derham "Continental" Coupe). Don't folks know that we can look this stuff up? Granted, maybe not every car in the Collection was listed in the Rosters (projects, recent acquisitions), but the Harrah's claim doesn't seem to hold water.

    It's evident that the top's been cut off by the caps on the door sills where the window frames (and the rest of the doors!) were, plus the inelegant treatment at the A-pillar West noted.

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    Larger Highly unlikely that Derham craftsmen would have built such a car without a top.

    The whole package is too wrong to be right.

    TG

  7. Does anyone know the 'crossover date' when automatic transmission cars began outselling stick shift cars?

    Harold,

    The 1957 Automotive News Almanac has a chart with annual AT percentages going back to 1946. The crossover was between 1953 at 41.90%, and 1954 with 56.77% of industry-wide automatic installations. Since we're on the subject...

    1946...5.12%

    1947...6.74%

    1948...13.58%

    1949...16.18%

    1950...24.85%

    1951...34.85%

    1952...40.45%

    1953...41.90%

    1954...56.77%

    1955...68.37%

    1956...74.44% (Revised to 75.08% in '58 AN Almanac)

    1957...79.14% (From the '58 AN Almanac)

    FYI,

    TG

  8. I can say that the Roadmistress looked pretty dull with black wheels and a faded Tangerine Sweepspear.

    On a white car, Tangerine wheels and Sweepspear really pop, and looks great in any light.

    Imagine if she was all white...

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    Besides, we already have red on the grille and in a one-plate state, you can have lots of fun with front license plates.

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    Makes me kind of chuckle when someone walks by and tells their friend (or wife, or date), "It's a '62 Buick". :eek:

    (The tag came from the same place as the car, a sweet coincidence).

    TG

  9. Electra Waggoner Biggs inspired the naming of an automobile, the Buick Electra, and of an aircraft, the Lockheed Electra.

    Harlow H. Curtice, president of General Motors' Buick Motor Division when the Buick model was named in 1959, was the brother-in-law of Ms. Biggs' husband, John Biggs.

    Are you saying* the Model 10 Lockheed Electra of 1934 was named for a the wife of a rising GM exec's brother-in-law? Rather than a star in the Pleiades, one of the Seven Sisters?

    'Cause I'm not buying it. The lady was 21 when the first Electra by Lockheed appeared and, granted, she was by then a famous sculptress. There was a second Electra (Model L-188) by Lockheed that entered service in December, 1957, but I doubt it was named for anything other than the first Electra. (Amelia Earhart was piloting an Electra when she vanished in 1937, so it's a pretty famous plane-name).

    As for the car, in '58, we had the B-58 Buicks with loads of reference to military aircraft. We had LeSabre in '59, named after the 1951 show car, likely named after the F-86 Sabre jet of 1949. Electra, the "bright one", was more likely chosen for the name recognition of the star, the mythology and the plane. So it's difficult to swallow anything other than happy coincidence about the car's naming and Mrs. Biggs. Invicta is a fluke, but in Latin it means, "unvanquished", a good name for the "sporty" Buick.

    Unless someone can provide a valid, period reference rather than wikipedia and the Waggoner's site, it sounds like the editor of a newsletter got swept away by wiki BS.

    Yet again.

    Anyway, former head of Buick, Harlow Curtice was President of GM from 1953, and Edward T. Ragsdale headed up Buick (since 1956) at the time of the '59's intro, so even that factoid is incorrect. As factoids always are.

    I wish these young moderns would crack open a book every now and then! ;)

    TG

    * RivNut, I know you're just passing along some fun trivia from another site, not that you created it.

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  10. I challenge you to find a factory picture of a Classic with Trippes or a factory accessory catalog that shows the large round bracket mounted Trippes. No denying that they were installed in the Classic era but were they a factory authorized accessory? They have long been grandfathered in by AACA in any case.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

    Rick,

    These images from The Making of Modern Michigan, Digital Collections are by no means conclusive proof that Pilot Rays and Trippes were catalogued as factory-approved accessories, but they are official Packard images with contemporary notes. Lorraines are catalogued, at least in 1934, as approved accessories.

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    Description of 1933 Packard from Earle C. Anthony's Deal.

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    Description of Edward MacCauley's personal job in front of his father's home. They appear to be Trippes, as the factory road/fog lamps below are smaller, without the Trippe "dimples" on top.

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    From my '39 Packard Data Book, Service & Accessories Section.

    Now, all we have to do is find a contemporary Packard showroom image of a car with Pilot Rays or Trippes...

    TG

  11. The Delco unit might fit in the holes but If I was judging the car I would take the Max 5 point deduction.

    Doesn't that seem a bit excessive? 5 points because there's no bowtie and yet it's a DELCO unit (authorized GM)? How does one know that it wasn't dealer-installed, or that it's what they had that day at that particular assembly plant? Or that maybe the face plate has been changed in the radio's long life?

    TG

  12. Had to go to my trusty Red Book (Nat'l. Used Car Market Report) to clarify the somewhat dizzying array of REO production intro dates for the '34-'35 models.

    Starting on July 27, 1933 was the 1934 SIX, Flying Cloud Six, Model S-2, Serial Numbers 2S 2100 and up, Motor Numbers 2S-2273 and up. This range included the Conv. Cpe. 2-4 pass.

    Starting Sept. 1, 1933 was the 1934 SIX Flying Cloud Six, Model S-3, S/N S-3-100 and up, M/N 2-S 2698 and up; only a 2-4 pass. Coupe & 5 pass. Sedan, not relevant to this discussion.

    Starting April 24, 1934 was the 1934 SIX, Flying Cloud Six, Model 4S, S/N 4S-100 and up, M/N 4S-10 and up. Bullet points state these had automatic starting and dash instruments under convex glass crystals. This range included the Conv. Cpe. 2-4 pass.

    Starting July 1, 1934 was the 1935 SIX, Flying Cloud Six, Model 5S, S/N 5S-28677 and up, M/N 4S-10 and up. This range included both 5-wheel and 6-wheel Conv. Cpe 2-4 pass.

    Apparently there's a two-month window between the "second-series" '34's and the intro of the '35's. I'm sure much more is known by REO Club members, but if one is really serious about researching the vagaries of these models, get in touch with (or visit) the AACA Library and see what MoToR or Automobile Topics has on REOs around these intro dates.

    Automobile Topics for Jan. 24, 1934 lists both a REO Conv. Std. Coupe ($895) and Conv. Sport Cpe ($970), but these would be prior to the Apr. 24, 1934 production change.

    Should be a number of hours of fun research for someone!

    TG

  13. alsancle, your list is growing, and here's one more...

    "Add non factory skirts (11) and after market hubcaps (12) to this list."

    And wire wheels (13), one of the most over-used modern contrivances;

    fine for high-end cars, but on base models, UGH! But because any goombah

    can order a set from Coker, they are now ubiquitous and quite ridiculous.

    According to me, that is. :P

    My '57 Roadmaster would look equally ridiculous with blackwalls. Our '34 Packard

    Eight Coupe Roadster will look awesome with blackwalls; without sidemounts,

    I want to draw the eye to the elegant fenderline sweep, not two big white donuts fore and aft.

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    There are very few of these Standard 8's extant with the single rear spare,

    as most have the Deluxe treatment with sidemounts and trunk rack. Like West,

    I've gone thru the Making of Modern Michigan's Digital Collections scanning

    Packard year by year. I'd guess it's a 70 (BW) to 30 (WW) split from those

    period, factory photos. Of those WW's, they're all doubles till '41.

    But before everyone rushes for the exits to buy (and judge) tires for cars that

    should have doubles, bear in mind that of 142 WW's available from Coker,

    only 14 are doubles, in a narrow range of sizes.

    We have to go with what's available, and what suits our wallets and tastes.

    My taste has evolved in the last decade regarding BW's on '30's cars as I

    see what a visual difference they make on a car's overall design, but it's my

    taste, not anybody else's. It was heavily influenced by this one image in MoMM's

    Packard pics for 1933; a young man lost in the beauty of a '33 Twelve...

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    What I've learned from this thread is that there are more double whites than I imagined

    (I'll start paying more attention now), and that everyone's opinions on the subject

    are valid and just as important as mine (already knew that). The evolution continues.

    TG

  14. To fuel the '42 flames, here's something not often seen...S-10's in dealer showrooms.

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    Larger, the photo appears to be retouched, adding the Club Coupe.

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    Larger (click once after opening to enlarge), Normandin's DeSoto-Plymouth, San Jose, CA;

    note the appliances in the showroom, a common wartime practice after cars became

    harder to acquire (and for dealers to sell) due to OPA regulations.

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    Larger, given the gas ration stickers in the used cars' windows, this detail of the Normandin

    photo would have been taken after May, 1942. I count four S-10's and two '42 Plymouths.

    Enjoy!

    TG

  15. There have been some great responses to Hemiken's thread on the '42 DeSoto trunk light,

    but I think a separate thread is needed to bring out all '42 survivors. At least the one's

    owned by folks who read and post here.

    A quick Google search revealed these images (and some non-S-10's), so perhaps the

    owners of '42's of all body styles will share their cars' pics and stories here.

    I've fed my '42 S-10 fixes vicariously thru polara61's purchase of his blue Custom Convertible

    many years ago, and was delighted to see the other 'verts, too; the amazing

    is one I thought I'd never see.

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    polara61's S-10 'vert.

    Although this thread is about about survivng cars, let's take a look at the '42's that live on in film,

    courtesy of IMCDb.org. My favorite is, "The Strange Love of Martha Ivers," in which they crash(!)

    the convertible in the opening scenes, but, "The Postman Always Rings Twice," features both

    a Convertible and a Sedan. Their list is growing, and there's a Sedan, heavily-featured,

    in an Abott & Costello flic set on a dude ranch, but I can't recall the movie's title.

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    In "Postman," this 'vert makes a cameo appearance, but the sedan is seen often.

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    As one who spends too much time watching old movies on TCM (for the cars, of course!), I have yet

    to see an S-10 Sky-View Taxicab (a personal Holy Grail), and I've been looking! IMCDb shows one

    in "Saboteur," but it doesn't have the '42's unique "Desoto Sky-View" roof light; after watching the film,

    you never see its face (its screen time is too brief), and I'd lay odds that it's a '41.

    Since the last time I searched, two '42 Sky-Views have appeared, but I'm afraid both are long gone...

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    First, from a period documentary at IMCDb.org.

    And this Sky-View, which can be found in a fascinating story of the Waters Mfg. Co.

    (the company that converted the taxis), over at Coachbuilt.com.

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    Both Sky-View images from Coachbuilt.com

    So, '42 owners, let's see and hear about your beautiful S-10's,

    whether they're projects, drivers, or show cars!

    Thanks,

    TG

  16. I would also point out those pages make no reference to the Impala which had a 3,080 lb weight for a basic variation of the vehicle.

    You'll find Impalas listed with the Bel Air where they belong, a model within that series.

    20 years ago when the Red Books first entered my library, they came in very handy when a buddy bought a set of tires for his '47 Roadmaster, based on info from the Buick Club Judging Manual for those models. Once mounted, the trunk wouldn't close over the spare, and the rear wheels couldn't be fitted. The judging manual had used info from Buick's '48-'49 supplement shop manual, which listed a larger set of tires for '48-'49.

    The Red Book for '47 had the correct tires listed, and the bigger, wrong tires went on his '48 Fleetwood. After we contacted the BCA, they corrected their manual accordingly, saving others from making the same mistake.

    Revered or not, the difference from right and wrong info, unless it's corrected, can cost many hundreds of dollars; not so with the weights we were discussing. If you can find better period data, please share it with us.

    TG

  17. Jim,

    Those weight ranges are wrong, and apparently were lifted from 50 Years of the American Automobile 1939-1989,

    which is often wrong. The numbers I posted came from the Red Book, Nat'l Used Car Market Report (10/1-11/14, 1960),

    a period source which I trust more than any web listing or modern publication.

    Charlotte AutoFair is soon upon us, and I'll try and find specs from factory lit for '57 & '58 Chevys while I'm there.

    The Red Book shows that the lightest '57 Chevy was the V-8 150 2dr Utility sedan, at 3,159 lbs.

    For '58, the lightest was the V-8 Delray 2dr Utlity sedan at 3,298 lbs. If my source is wrong (which it never has been),

    I'll happily concede the mistake after seeing printed, factory data, and post it here.

    TG

  18. On a model for model comparison, these are the factory weights of '57 & '58 Chevy V-8 cars...

    Bel Air sedan...'57= 3,272; '58= 3,440

    Convertible......'57= 3,405; '58= 3.508

    6-P wagon.......'57= 3,456; '58= 3,741

    The '58's are 100-300 lbs heavier out of the box with base 6 & 8 engines.

    I found no example of a '58 being lighter than its '57 counterpart.

    The numbers also show a weight-savings with V-8 versus I-6 power for '57 only.

    '57 Bel Air 2drht....I-6= 3,283; V-8= 3,274

    '58 Impala 2drht...I-6= 3,419; V-8= 3,442

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    It's America's Cheese!

    TG

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