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Here's what GM's catalog history says about your number 5044399. 5044399 started life as 3143564. Superceded to 5044399 Oct '76. 5044399 superceded to 22020889 June '84. Can't get an application for 22020889. Funny thing is GM says 22020889 is not a valid number.
I have no history on 5044342, which means it was purged from the system many, many years ago.
I have a '72 catalog on CD at home, I guess I should look at it.
Paul
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Time for another installment.
My mother's first car was a Sarasota White over Glade Green '54 Olds 98 DeLuxe Holiday coupe, given to her as a graduation present in 1964. "Power everything and nothing worked" she likes to say. It was purchased from the next-door Olds dealer as a "Mechanic's Special." Too bad my grandfather was an electrician, not a mechanic. Prior to her ownership, the dealership had been using it as their "shop truck."
After a few years, my mother spotted a yellow '60 Impala convertible that a local school teacher had traded at the local Chevrolet dealership. She and my grandfather went down there and a deal was struck and a deposit was made. My grandmother hit the roof. Divorce, and running away from home were threatened. In the end, the convertible stayed at the dealership. If my mother wanted a '60 Chevy, my grandmother knew of some relatives who where selling theirs. So that's what was bought - a Cascade Green Impala sedan. This is what she was driving when she met my father at the local drive-in - he in his Ermine White '60 Impala coupe.
My grandparents took back that green '60 in '68 and traded it on their '68 Olds Delta. They sold my parents their old '61 Olds Super 88 sedan in it's place (see earlier post).
The '61 was sold and my parents bought their first new car together - a Grabber Blue '71 Ford Pinto, the $1,995 deluxe model.
We had that car quite a few years, until my mother backed into a stone wall with it, wrinkling the rear bumper and 1/4 panel, rather than fix it, dad sold it and bought a white '71 Plymouth Duster. The Duster was traded on a white '77 Cutlass Supreme, which was later changed to Firethorn Red. This is one of the cars I learned to drive on. The Cutlass was replaced by a new, Black '88 Cutlass Ciera SL. This car had a black carriage roof and the big 3800 engine. Mom sold this car to her sister when she bought my two-year-old, Torch Red '96 Monte Carlo LS
Mom currently drives a white 2005 LaCrosse.
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Now wait a minute. Are you saying the show field is still on grass? I thought I had been told the show field had been paved this past year.
Paul
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OK, now I've got my upholstery book in front of me. The Dynamic 88 convertible came with six interior choices:
Saddle - single tone
Black
Jade (dark) Green - single tone
Blue - two tone
Holiday (bright) Red - single tone
Parchment White - single tone
It says right in there that the convertible boot should be Holiday Red as well.
Holiday Coupes & Sedans used the same interior. Morocceen and Pattern Cloth were available in Platinum, Fern Green, Blue, Aqua and Saddle. All Morocceen was an option and available in Jade Green, Blue (two tone), Regal Red (two tone) and Parchment White. Both shades used with Regal Red were darker than Holiday Red and had a metallic cast to them.
I also double checked my earlier statement - the Starfire engine was an option is any 98 or Super 88, but was not available in Dynamic 88s.
Paul
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He's talking about this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-OLDS...1QQcmdZViewItem
Looks kosher to me. In addition to the power windows, it's also got a/c. Somebody must have wanted a little more than a base 88, but couldn't afford (or didn't want to spend the money for) a Starfire or 98. The rear antenna is not power, that's where they put the standard antennas when they came with a/c, althought this one has been replaced with a hokie spring antenna. Also has the upgraded wheelcovers. I don't have my upholstery book in front of me, but I'm pretty sure these interiors were all red, not red/maroon.
I don't think the top boot is original. I thought the boot color should match the interior.
I was talking to a guy at Nationals who bought a '64 D88 convertible used in 1969. It was fully equipped - even had the rare power door locks. You could put just about anything you wanted on a D88, 'cept for the Starfire engine, I think.
Paul
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Here's the wheel trim options for '68 full size cars. Examples can be seen in the thread where we talked about that Oldsmobile bumper nameplate the other day.
All full size cars came with the standard 14" P01 full wheel discs. In the other thread, these discs are shown on your dark green coupe.
If a full size car was equipped with disc brakes or radial tires, then it came with standard 15" wheels. Standard trim for these wheels was 15" trim rings and a small hub cap (the same cap used on the '66 Toros).
An optional disc for full size cars was the 14" P02 deluxe full disc. In the other thread, there is a link in the very first post to a light green coupe. This car wears the P02 discs.
There was also a deluxe disc available for the 15" wheels, option code N94. Same disc as P02, but larger. These are kinda rare.
The third optional disc was the 14" N95 simulated wire disc. This disc was only available for the 14" wheel. These can be seen in the thread on my car, the light green 4 door. These discs were not available on 98s due to the center of the disc clearing the fender skirt, but I have seen 98s with them added.
The parts book lists a Super Stock wheel for '68 88 models. It is a different number than the one listed for F-85 models. I have seen factory preliminary photos of '67 88s with '68 style Super Stock II wheels, but from what I understand they were cancelled before going to production. My '68 SPECS book is a revised edition, dated January, 1968. On the back it lists revisions since the September, 1967 issue. One of those reads:
"Discontinuance of Option P05, Super Stock Wheels, for 88 models."
Here's the link to the bumper nameplate thread:
http://forums.aaca.org/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/103986/Number/447696#Post447696
Paul
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All I can tell you is 3653719 was discontinued Jan '84. Not listed in the Chevrolet passenger car or Oldsmobile pre-'76 catalogs printed in Apr '83. Got nothing on 3653710.
Paul
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I had 225/14s on a '67 98 and they were still a little too small. Coker offers a 235/14 that looks better, but they are pricey.
Paul
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I'll have to break this up so as not to bore people...
We'll start with mother's parents.
My grandfather's first car was a '36 Ford Cabriolet. It must have been his favorite, because it was the only one he ever talked about. He had it painted Fire Engine Red. After he had it painted, he stood out like a sore thumb (this was in '41 when colors were still pretty subdued), and if he was going somewhere, he's park it around the corner and walk the rest of the way. He sold it when he went off to war, and from what we understand the guy he sold it to wrapped it around a utility pole.
After the war I believe there was a late 30s Studebaker, and then a '37 or '38 Chevy.
In 1950, my grandparents moved into my great grandfather's house, which was right next door to the local Oldsmobile dealer - this is why I am an Oldsmobile man. In 1952 they bought their first new Olds - an Arctic Blue '52 Deluxe 88 sedan. The '52 was traded for a '61 Super 88 sedan. That was the flashiest car they ever owned. It was Provincial White with a Garnet Mist roof and matching wheel covers (the ones with the stupid clips - he hated them) and had a matching red interior. This car was lightly hit broadside on a trip to Florida in 1968. Grandpa wanted to trade it off, but the insurance company made him fix it. After it was fixed it was sold to my newly married parents, and replaced with a Willow Gold '68 Delta 88 sedan. And then I came along (and the world hasn't been the same since). In the fall of '76 my grandparents took me to my first new car announcement. It was that night that they ordered their Corporate Light Blue Metallic (at my prompting) '77 Delta 88 sedan with a 403 (my grandmother liked them to go!) - their first car with air conditioning. My grandmother never saw that car - she passed away a few weeks after ordering it. Before it came in, the '68 was rear ended by a drunk driver, and shoved into a utility pole while parked in front of the house overnight. The pole didn't snap, but was moved three inches in the ground. When the '77 finally came, the driver scraped the entire driver's side along the truck while unloading it and the car had to be repainted on that side. My grandfather kept the '77 into the early 80s. He finally traded on a used, beige, '78 Sedan DeVille - my grandmother wouldn't let him get a Cadillac when she was living. The '78 was traded for a beige '82 SDV (which I borrowed for the Senior Prom), which was traded for a silver '84 SDV, which was traded for a Cotillion White '86 Fleetwood Brougham d'Elegance. In early '92 he traded the '86 for a leftover Antelope Firemist '91 Fleetwood Brougham. It was his last car. He passed away in '96. I sure wish I had that '91. His "lady friend" traded it for a Taurus.
*Here's an interesting side note - the building that housed that Oldsmobile dealership was built by my great grandfather in the early 20s. He was a Studebaker and Star dealer for a brief time.
Paul
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I tried to find something on that part you thought was '59 Olds. I've got illustrations that show all of the molding numbers for all of the '59s and I didn't see that number. Actually, I didn't see that number for any Olds from '56 to '63. I'm thinking it's another make.
Paul
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9635479 is a RH front door lower molding for '78 Monte Carlos equipped with BX2. Catalog says '79 & '80 are different.
9637491 is a RR wheel opening that fits '80 to '90 full sized Chevrolet sedans and '83 & '84 Pontiac Parisienne sedans.
14048623 is a front end panel lower molding (bottom of grille) that fits '85 to '91 Chevrolet & GMC full sized vans without chrome grille.
Didn't get anything for the rest of the numbers. I might have a listing for the '59 Olds part, but need to be near my paper book for that.
Paul
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Body and chassis wise, a '61 Starfire is an 88 convertible. Powertrain wise, the Starfire has the same 394, but with increased compression, bigger valves and a different cam, and standard dual exhaust resulting in higher horsepower than other '61 Oldses. They also have a beefed up trans. You obviously already know the interiors are special and they have those anodized aluminum side panels. Side panels are now being reproduced by a guy in Canada to the tune of $1500. Seats were originally full leather, which can be expensive to redo. Convertible tops originally had a wide contrasting band around the edge at the side windows.
Paul
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Congratulations to you. I wish Pennsylvania would get in gear and pass such legislation.
Paul
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The part number for the rear Oldsmobile nameplate package is 230407. I learned something new today - parts book sez it is only used on Deltas and Delta Customs, not Delmonts. When I was a little kid, my grandparents had a Willow Gold Delta Town Sedan (that's why I bought my Delta Custom). Their neighbors had a turquoise Delmont town sedan. At the time, I knew the taillights were different, but I never noticed their car not having the nameplate. Parts book sez Delmonts, Deltas and Customs all use the same bumper. I would assume that nameplate is bolted fast, so I guess they just drilled holes in the bumper for Deltas and Customs in the field.
Paul
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That is a really sharp car. I used to have a Willow Gold '68 Delta Custom with a black vinyl top. Mine was a 4 door hardtop. It had those cool fender peak moldings like yours has. It also had the Oldsmobile applique on the bumper. I thought all 88s had it. I have a parts book at work that'll give me the part number and also show application.
Paul
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We had something similar happen to one of our club members last year, only his did start - in reverse. Launched that car right into the back garage wall. His clutch was rusted fast. He had to get in the car and rock it with his body in order to break it loose. Once he did everything was fine. No damage to the car. Minor damage to the garage.
Paul
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I looked these up for a local guy a few weeks ago. Long discontinued from GM. The right rear molding is part #9634326 and shows in stock at Kovatch Chevy Cadillac in Lehighton, PA - (610)377-7404. Call them and see. Left rear is #9634327 with no dealer stock. Right front is part #555206 and shows in stock at Barry's Chevy, Olds, Buick in West Union, OH - (937)544-2331 and at Felix Chevy Cadillac in Los Angeles - (213)748-6141. Left front is #555207 with no dealer stock. I have no pricing for these items. Collectorsautosupply.com shows 22 of the right rear without a price. They show one of the right front with a price of $147. I would be afraid of what could happen to these during shipping. If you're interested in used, they interchange between '77 and '79. Fronts were also used on 98s. Rears are 88 only. Custom Cruisers will not interchange on front or rear.
Paul
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You need to take it, or the car, to A-1 Transmissions in Illinois. Tom Kasper. He an Olds guy and a HydraMatic man from way back. I've heard nothing but good things about him. Don't know where in Illinois he is, I have a business card at home.
Paul
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You should get a copy of the December 1988 issue of Collectible Automobile magazine. There is an article in there on the cars of 1942. It should explain the black-out models. Black out trim was made manditory by the government on a certain date, but I don't what date it was, probably sometime in January. Chrome was needed for the war effort, so all chrome trim except for bumpers had to be painted. For pieces that were manufactured ahead of time and already chromed, they had to be painted over. This was required of all manufacturers so that one would not have an unfair sales advantage over the other, since these cars were still available for the civilian market. As you know, production was stopped completely in February and most cars in dealer inventory at that time were taken for government use, or held for rationing.
Paul
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When I had my Toronado with the Climatic Combustion Control air clearer, those decals weren't available. The owner who restored it just masked the old one off and painted around it. That was a number of years ago and the situation may have changed. I recently read an article in Hemming's Classic Car that featured a '67 Cutlass with the Turnpike Cruiser option and it said that the big black decal on the air cleaner lid is now being reproduced, so maybe the valve cover decal is as well. I would check with Fusick or USA Parts.
Paul
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'55 98 sedan. The sedan was the only 98 to wear skirts that year. They are longer than the 88 skirts.
Paul
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Those hubcaps are Oldsmobile Fiesta spinners. First used on '53 Fiesta convertibles, then used on other '53, '54 and '55 Oldsmobiles. Do a search on eBay and see what they are selling for before you give them away for a set of Chrysler caps. You may be better off selling them and buying a Chrysler set. I don't know what Chrysler caps are worth, but I'm guessing the Fiestas are worth more.
Here's a link to a pair of '53 Chrysler caps:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1953-CHRY...sspagenameZWD1V
and here's a link to a set of Fiesta spinners that sold recently. These have been ruined by the addition of bullet centers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1953-1955...sspagenameZWDVW
Paul
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Regencys first came out in '72 to celebrate Oldsmobiles 75th anniversary. They were all painted the special gold color you mentioned. They had special keys and key fobs from Tiffany's in addition to the Tiffany clock and had the special black loose pillow look interior. Starting in '73 the Regencys were regular production models available in any color. The last year to use the Regency name was 1990, I think. After that they were just known as Ninety Eights.
Paul
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Good. Now that you've found it, don't be alarmed if you don't have the bleed valve that is shown in the schematic. Bleed valves were only used on earlier cars. Later cars used a sintered metallic plug instead of the bleed valve. And, many early cars were updated to the plug and the bleed valve was eliminated. That involved some vacuum hose re-routing. If you don't have a bleed valve, let me know and I can tell you what hose changes there are.
Paul
61 Starfire Questions
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Here's is a correct '61/'62 water pump/front cover photo. This car is a non-a/c '61, but is identical to my a/c equipped '62. Now that I'm looking at the photo of the light blue '61 on eBay, I don't know what those parts are off of. Not only is the front cover different, so is the water pump - and it is very different.
I was always told that '63 and '64 394s had the lower hose coming out on the passenger side. I'll have to research that.
Paul