Ian Hayhurst

Interesting that Layden's Cole has the question mark style rear fenders, but Dennis' curve down. Perhaps a mid-year change? Still gas lights. I like the cowl vents, bale-handle side lamps, unusual windshield support rods. Ian Hayhurst Claremont, ON

Car has been sold--thank you.

In response to the questions about value, I often say that it would cost considerably less than a new Mustang/Camaro/Challenger. Where do you get tires? A--there are two or three companies making new tires in the old sizes. Do you have to add lead to the gas? A--no, these cars pre-date the addition of lead to gas. Are you going to restore it? (It's a '14 Overland roadster with no paint) A--not if I can help it! And the best ever was from a US border guard as we were heading to the Old Car Festival at Dearborn: Who was the original owner? A--darned if I know!

West, This car is pictured on p63 of the latest Antique Automobile in John Nikodym's awesome collection. Stunning car! Ian

Packard. I'm not sure of the year, but it will be 38-40. Lots more knowledgeable folks will be able to say. Ian

Mark, I am quite confident my roadster has never been apart and the jugs are black. There are a couple of engine shots at this link. I have not noticed any traces of paint on the aluminum, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there originally. Is your project the one that Greg Tockett was selling a few years ago? https://picasaweb.google.com/109483436555479908882/Overlands Ian

Hi folks, Looking for a few things to finish my father's long-term restoration project. 2 interior door handles--hoping for two good originals with no cracks; we can get them replated if necessary Interior rear window trim Windshield wiper switch/valve If you could provide a photo of the windshield wiper vacuum line switch/valve, that would be much appreciated, too. We need to see what this looks like and how it is mounted on the dash. We have several 1932 PB parts available for trade as well. Ian and Ray Hayhurst ihayhurs@yahoo.ca Thanks!

Hi folks, Looking for a few things to finish my father's long-term restoration project. 2 interior door handles--hoping for two good originals with no cracks; we can get them replated if necessary Interior rear window trim Windshield wiper switch/valve If you could provide a photo of the windshield wiper vacuum line switch/valve, that would be much appreciated, too. We need to see what this looks like and how it is mounted on the dash. We have several 1932 PB parts available for trade as well. Ian and Ray Hayhurst ihayhurs@yahoo.ca Thanks!

The photo starting the thread is a 1912 Overland Model 59-T Touring, I believe. The 1911's had flat rear fenders and outboard levers. The larger 1912 Model 61 has running boards with integrated tool boxes. Layden's photo looks like an earlier and larger 1910 Model 42--one of my favourites--but I could be mistaken. Great photos! Ian

Bump for Michael and Gary.

I remembered one of the other differences, so will take the opportunity to bump up the ad again. The Canadian '15's used forked headlights, while US cars had the single stanchion. I have seen some discussion stating that early US '15's also may have used the forks in some cases. The speculation is that the US plant shipped leftover forks, and perhaps other parts to be used up in Canada, while the US cars received the fanciest new design available.

My '14 Overland is 59 years older than I am.

Oh, I could very well be wrong about the hubcaps. I am so accustomed to seeing the "Made in USA" caps, that I assumed the C/W were Canadian-only. Always something new to learn with these T's.

Chris--thanks for the questions. You are correct about the 4 doors and the 30 x 3.5" tires. Beginning in 1913, blocks were cast in Canada and received serial #'s beginning with "C". The blocks and several other parts were marked "Made in Canada". Hubcaps do not have "Made in USA", but rather a tiny C or W under the Ford script. Reproduction hubcaps are available with "Made in Canada", but I'm not sure if/when that was the practice, originally. The Clasco lamps were made in Ford, Ontario near the plant. Ian

Appropriate for ~1909/1910 auto. 9" across the lens, 8.5" fork mounts. Decent restorable condition with some dents and small cracks. Reflector is cracked. Lens is later and purpled glass. Asking $375 obo. Can deliver to Hershey. Ian Hayhurst ihayhurs@yahoo.ca 905-649-6734

1915 Canadian Ford T touring for sale. 3rd owning family--sold new to the Wray family near Leamington, ON, then Cliff Arnell near Brantford, ON in 2005; I purchased from Cliff in 2006. I believe the car was restored/repainted/engine rebuilt in the '70's and used little. New top and upholstery kits were installed in 2005. C32732 serial plate on dash matches engine. Runs strong and cool with external oil line. Rear end rebuilt 2010. Matching Clasco lamps. Often starts on compression. Decent cosmetically, but not a show car. E-mail ihayhurs<<at>>yahoo.ca (change <<at>> to @) for more photos, or call Ian Hayhurst 905-649-6734. Asking $17,500. Located near Toronto, Canada Delivery to Hershey or Southern Ontario possible.

Update: My asking price is $38,000, or trade offers as described in the original posting. The car is located near Toronto--inspections and test drives are welcome. Thanks for looking! Ian

Hello Chris, My father and I sorted through his pile of '32 Plymouth parts today. We have a switch, but it is marked "CLUM 9271", rather than 9150 as in the photos from Keiser. It looks identical to the photos otherwise. Terminals are marked 1,3,2,4,6,5 but I cannot see that detail in the photos. Let me know if you still need one. Ian ihayhurs@yahoo.ca

Don, I believe the White touring is a 1915, and the roadster that was there was 1913 or 1914. I didn't make it this year, but Dad did. It looks like you have the Cadillac captioned as 1913, but I believe it is 1909. Fun stuff! Ian

Frank--you cannot go wrong with a Model T--lots of parts, events, and support. I notice you mention Overland in your current stable--their brass-era models are also good, but you may want to avoid those with the earlier planetary transmisions. 1912-1915 are good and reliable designs (I have a '14 Overland roadster and a '15 T, so my comment is certainly biased!).

Just want to post a word of appreciation to Thriller, MCHinson, and sfair for keeping the facts straight. I am a great admirer of Col. Sam and what he achieved as McLaughlin, McLaughlin-Buick, and GM Canada, but there is no doubt that they were all Buicks, mechanically speaking (except for that Oakland-based Light Six). That said, the earlier models certainly carried bodies that were different and sometimes fancier than the US versions. More on the Light Six--this is from Cars of Canada by Durnford and Baechler: "Another major change in Oshawa for 1916 had been the reluctant elimination of all four-cylinder cars, following a decision by Buick in the US that fours were no longer necessary. This, of course, was not the case in Canada where low price and durability were still very important. McLaughlin didn't want to be cut out of the low-medium price field but, with the four-cylinder Buick engines no longer available, there seemed no choice. McLaughlin got around the problem by introducing its own Light Six, using a Northway engine and based on the US Oakland built by GM. McLaughlin was even able to offer the Light Six for $1085, which was less than the cheapest four of 1915. Although the early models suffered from overheating and oil-pumping problems, they gave good fuel and tire economy, and with the prestige of a six-cylinder engine they sold well. The Light Six was built until 1922...." As for the earlier comment that "McLaughlin studded", Sam was a prominent horse breeder and racer. But I don't think that was the intended message.....can't be sure. I have found this thread to be amusing, baffling, and even embarassing (as a Canadian). Ian

The '32 PB's have hoods that cover the cowl and extend back to the windshield, whereas '31 PA's have shorter hoods that stop ahead of the cowl. They are great cars. I learned how to drive on my father's PB roadster.

I agree with Frank--being a non-Imperial sedan, it would probably cost much more to restore than you would really want to have in it. That said, I think any Chrysler of this era, especially a '31, is a fantastic automobile. I have an untouched original car, and it often seems to draw more attention than the shiniest restorations. However.... 1. If you want a driver for serious touring, an original car can have its limitations. It can also be more vulnerable to poor weather than a well-waxed new paint job. 2. If the car could suffer further degradation by keeping it original, that may not be the way to go. I'm certainly not suggesting that this would be negligent, but things can get worn out. Certain components could be restored selectively, while still maintaining the spirit of the original car. Looks like fun, whichever way you go.

I agree with Chris--the fender looks very similar to my '14 Overland, and the double spare tire carrier suggests it was a touring car.

While trailering my 1914 Overland down to Hershey, the US Customs agent asked me who the original owner was. Fortunately, "I have no idea" was a good enough answer for him. When people ask about the speedometer drive gears on brass-era cars, I like to tell them it's auxilliary front wheel drive.