Ian Hayhurst

Here's a shot of my 1914 Overland 79R. Great thread!

No, my father bought the Flora's PB sport roadster in the mid 80's. Unless Bill had another I suppose. I learned how to drive with that car. May take it out this afternoon!

10 years of refinement, then another 10 years of competition. Fascinating story--thanks for posting! The Dodge family history reads like a soap opera.

Hello Charley, Yes, it looks very similar to my '12 Reo in a few respects. The door levers match, as does the shape of the fender wells. Is the sheathing wood or is it the composite material (some call it papier mache) that was used in '12? Unfortunately, my car does not have the spare tire holder irons, so I can't verify that part. Ian

A friend has Sprague-Waldo on his 1911 Paige-Detroit, but I don't know if they are #106's. He'll likely see this post but I'll ask him.

I believe the green offered by Plymouth in '32 was called Myll Green. It is pronounced "mile". I tried a Google search and came up with a shade that is not at all like what is on my father's car, although we always believe it was Myll Green. Here's a convertible coupe in what I believed to be Myll Green. Sorry, didn't mean to get distracted from the lovely 2-door sedan for sale. Good luck with it--they are wonderful automobiles.

Hi Rory I didn't realize this was yours until today. Congratulations! How about some photos and a write-up for the website? Sounds like it has a fascinating history. Ian

1912 Reo the Fifth touring and 1914 Overland roadster. I like that Whippet posted earlier--was it ever in Hawkstone, ON? I remember seeing one there as a very young kid.

Cars of Canada is certainly a very complete history--the most treasured book in my modest library. Glenn Baechler has continued to research and could probably write a sequel. Brooks was mentioned earlier. The car that was in Orillia, ON is now in Stratford, ON. The car was assembled in Stratford, and the body was built in Orillia. The body was actually a vinyl-like material over a wooden subframe. I helped pull that car out of a garage in Toronto several years ago. Like some automotive ventures, it was a stock scam. Tudhope was actually based on the Everitt, which, of course, was similar to the E-M-F. There are two 1912 Tudhope 4-36 cars remaining--one owned by Orillia Heritage, and the other owned by a descendant of the founding family. Prior to building conventional cars, Tudhope also build highwheelers under license from McIntyre of Indianapolis--there are a few of these around, including one in the Orillia Heritage collection. In 1912 or 1913, Tudhope went into receivership and was replaced by Fisher very briefly. One Fisher and some parts remain. Reo was built in St Catherines, ON. Ironically, they used a former Oldsmobile factory. I can think of an '11 roadster, a '12 roadster in the St Catherines museum, and a '12 touring. Differences versus the US models were minimal--mainly trim and finishings. A '12 Reo was the first car to journey coast-to-coast across Canada (with some rail and water assistance, and a brief detour to the US). There were plenty of branch plants to build US designs for sale to the Commonwealth market. Ford set up shop in 1904 and continue to this day. Plenty more could be added to this thread!

Yes, Keiser, sadly you are correct. I hoped maybe someone restoring one might need them for patterns. No takers yet, though. Ian

<at>By the way, I'm open to creative suggestions on what else to do with this mess. My wife suggested I enhance the lawn tractor, but that may be tough cornering around trees.... </at>

I recently bought the remains of this 1912 Reo that tragically burned about a decade ago. The few remaining sheet metal bits are in very poor condition, but maybe someone can use some of this for patterns. The only piece that may be re-usable is the hood former. Two front fenders--one has the iron, the other iron is still attached to the frame Hood with one handle and four hold-down brackets Headlight forks, buckets, bar, and hood support rods Hood former with bracket for the ventilation screen Rad shell--2 pieces--front and surround All of this is bent and twisted, rusted, pitted, or full of holes. Yes, I got the chassis, but I intend to keep most of it. If you have a specific need for a bracket or linkage, I may be able to help. I'm not likely to sell the engine, axles & hubs, transmission, or steering column--sorry. For photos, please go to www.hccaontario.ca, click on the Photo Gallery, and the Reo album. They were a bit too big to include in this post. https://picasaweb.google.com/109483436555479908882/Reo?noredirect=1 This stuff is not well suited for shipping, but I can get it to Hershey 2014 for you. Ian Hayhurst Claremont, ON ihayhurs <at> yahoo.ca

With the gas headlights and the crank installed, that would be a 1913 69R--great photo! It appears to have a 1918 Ontario license plate. I'm afraid I can't add much on the speedster discussion, other than to agree that I have only ever heard of one true original. I have a 79R and would be happy to help with any specific questions you may have. Ian

Congratulations--my father has a '32 PB roadster which he used to teach me to drive. They are wonderful cars. If you have the model # for that K&N filter, could you share it? Thanks!

Thank you both. I think a puck may not be thick enough, but I like that idea for other applications. I'm thinking I'll have to find something round and fairly close, then work with it.

Hello--can anyone suggest a source for repro grommets that go at the base of the windshield stancion where it passes through the cowl? Steele Rubber lists one that is square or rectangular, but the original we have is round. Failing that, has anyone had experience making something like this out of a block of rubber? I would be interested to hear how you shape and finish such an item. Thanks Ian Hayhurst Claremont, Canada

Hi '28--thanks for the tip. I figured that would have to be the next step, but thought I would ask first in case I was missing something. Yes, we have the rest of the assembly with the fiber plate & terminals. Here's hoping we don't snap the tabs. Ian

Has anyone had experience disassembling this type of switch? Should the lever pull off or is it pinned? Do the tabs need to be bent on the back? thank you Ian Hayhurst Claremont, ON

Hello John, My father is working on a Model 50 roadster--what body style do you have? We don't have much in the way of spare parts, but we could help with photos if needed. Ian Hayhurst North of Toronto, Canada.

Interesting that Layden's Cole has the question mark style rear fenders, but Dennis' curve down. Perhaps a mid-year change? Still gas lights. I like the cowl vents, bale-handle side lamps, unusual windshield support rods. Ian Hayhurst Claremont, ON

Car has been sold--thank you.

In response to the questions about value, I often say that it would cost considerably less than a new Mustang/Camaro/Challenger. Where do you get tires? A--there are two or three companies making new tires in the old sizes. Do you have to add lead to the gas? A--no, these cars pre-date the addition of lead to gas. Are you going to restore it? (It's a '14 Overland roadster with no paint) A--not if I can help it! And the best ever was from a US border guard as we were heading to the Old Car Festival at Dearborn: Who was the original owner? A--darned if I know!

West, This car is pictured on p63 of the latest Antique Automobile in John Nikodym's awesome collection. Stunning car! Ian

Packard. I'm not sure of the year, but it will be 38-40. Lots more knowledgeable folks will be able to say. Ian

Mark, I am quite confident my roadster has never been apart and the jugs are black. There are a couple of engine shots at this link. I have not noticed any traces of paint on the aluminum, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there originally. Is your project the one that Greg Tockett was selling a few years ago? https://picasaweb.google.com/109483436555479908882/Overlands Ian