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Did you read the post directly above yours?
Sandy lives very close to me........I drive through her town every day. She is busy for a few days, and I am off to Amelia on Tuesday. I'm hoping to stop by and see the car quickly, and I can assist her over the phone for the rest of the help she needs. If she decides to sell it, I would be happy to assist with AACA members on inspection and condition. But first, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let her grasp the car, its condition, and it's value. It has been sitting 50 years.......a few weeks or months won't kill anyone. Ed
Give her a break. I posted above she is busy. She asked for help here, and I intend to help he to the best of my ability. We are in contact, and she has your info now. She isn't in any hurry from what was communicated to me. I was planning on getting her to pull it outside, and post 20-30 photos. Figure out if the motor turns, and see if the missing parts are in the garage. I'm not a broker, not working on any commission or renumeration. Just trying to help out someone who has an early car, and need some advice to sell it properly.
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11 minutes ago, alsancle said:
As somebody who as spent way too much time taking the ferry back and forth to MV I'm hopeful for you that late Sept is a sweet spot. My experience is that MV is either so crowded you can't move (Summer) or so empty you are scared (Winter).
You just don't know how to have any fun.............It's a great place. I like it even more when you're not there. Kblake, pm me and I will give you some pointers. There are lots of great roads and places to visit.......you need ten days to really get to know the island......here is the place I intended to retire to on Chappy. Only issue.......money. Its on 40 acres and has 1200 feet of ocean frontage. Its an old barn that was converted into a three season home. My "happy place".
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Dollars buy much more in the car world than they use to.
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We have a port in my hometown that offloads gas, oil, LNG, ect. We have no supply issue here....none. Yet we have lines at gas stations and people filling up cans. The stupidy of the population is embarrassing, and many of the hoarders are college educated overpaid idiots. People can no longer think for themselves. We live in hurricane alley..........everyone should have 10 gallons of fuel for the season............it's not rocket science. Never, ever run your tank below half..........its better for the electric fuel pump, and you always have a cushion. It's really not that hard. One last comment.....if you think the government will protect you, your home, your family, and keep you supplied with food and water during a natural disaster..........you're insane. Be responsible for yourself.
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Sandy lives very close to me........I drive through her town every day. She is busy for a few days, and I am off to Amelia on Tuesday. I'm hoping to stop by and see the car quickly, and I can assist her over the phone for the rest of the help she needs. If she decides to sell it, I would be happy to assist with AACA members on inspection and condition. But first, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let her grasp the car, its condition, and it's value. It has been sitting 50 years.......a few weeks or months won't kill anyone. Ed
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It is interesting.............just like the car that was on America Pickers that was also part of this same experiment. I honestly think they were more interested in seeing how the top and windshield fit and if they were reasonably water tight. Too many areas of the car were let go to save expense. It would be interesting to see what the car has for a transmission. I find it hard to believe this car when new would have been on the streets.......probably just the proving grounds. It certainly wasn't done for consumption. Someone will enjoy it for what it is..........snapshot of history at GM in the early days.
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It constantly amazes me the knowledge of minutiae known to the people here. Ask half the kids under forty today who won WWII and they have no clue. The world sure has been dumbed down to the extent that I have very little hope for it.
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Most come off right away. I have had so much force applied to a puller it made me very nervous. Used liquid nitrogen on one once.........I have had several that took weeks on the puller. The issue......you can smash he shit out of it........and just go to Napa and get a Marmon drum and axel. No thanks, time and finesse. It it’s a Chevy best the he’ll out of it.
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Besides rust, and hard water scale, one also must consider organic’s causing a problem. Each one must be dealt with in a specific way. One issue at a time. Fix a known issue, and go on the the next. Throw thought and intelligence at it.......not money.
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Let’s see...........a “great white guy” - read “great” as overweight- driving a car with a nick name of “Great White”. 🤔
With Phil in the car next to me......and my good friend is bigger than I am.........people would call out “Two white whales driving a Great White!” 😝
The good news, both Phil and I have made progress getting off the COVID weight gain. With luck we will need new nick names.........I’m not gonna go there!
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I have been helping Ken on the phone. When it’s “all boiled down to gravy”, (sorry, I can’t help myself) it probably is going to be a radiator that was replaced with a core that was too small, and doesn’t have the correct flow rate. One step at a time, let’s get the block clean first.
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It’s the toilet paper scenario all over again. I recommend a double flush! 😎
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So, the tour was to Martha’s Vineyard. That’s where they filmed the movie Jaws. The logo was a car with a great white shark as the driver......it was all very stylized and appropriate. Somehow something got edited and in one place it appears as a “Great White Caravan”. Naturally, the mistake was caught by a sharp reader.....who reported it to the club. In today’s whacked out woke world of imbeciles, they over reacted and issued a correction. It wasn’t worth the time. All that happened was a group of people volunteering their time and effort to put on a tour to a fantastic area we’re needlessly embarrassed and made a spectacle of. It was pathetic. Here is a photo of my 1932 Pierce Series 54 Coupe on the sand where the shark attacked the guy in the row boat. Going to the dock where the Orca was showen tied up in Menemsha and taking a photo with Carley Simon was great fun. The next night we had dinner with friends at James Taylor’s place in Aquinnah next to the lighthouse. Years earlier I met Dan Aykroyd in Edgartown and had an ice cream with him on the running board of my 1936 Pierce Arrow. He bought one the next year, and has been a member of the Pierce club ever since. Seconded photo is Chappaquiddick Island, on the dirt road where Teddy Kennedy went off the bridge in the 1968 Olds Delta 88 Delmonte. The last photo is the ferry to Chappy from Edgartown. All very famous locations that I have been lucky to have spent time with family, friends, and cars over the years.
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Hi Sandy, PM- private message sent. I'm about five miles from you..........happy to help out.
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1 hour ago, Matt Harwood said:
It's not quite as simple as "all the coolant flowing through the radiator will drop 20 degrees." The thermostat isn't an on/off valve, but can significantly vary the speed of the coolant flowing through the system. In that way, it can make the coolant hotter overall as it spends more time in the engine. As it reaches the rated temperature, the thermostat opens and flow increases and the radiator cools the coolant. If there's not enough engine heat to keep it above the thermostat's rating, the thermostat starts to close again, slowing flow to heat up the coolant inside the engine. It's crude, but it's pretty good at regulating the temperature if the system is healthy.
The problem is that if the engine is putting out 190 degree coolant and the radiator can only drop it 10 or 15 degrees, and you're running a 160 degree thermostat, then the thermostat will simply run wide-open all the time and will no longer be able to regulate it. Then it's up to the radiator to keep up with the heat being added to the system by the engine. If the engine is making more heat than the radiator can shed, you overheat (obviously). So either the engine is putting so much heat into the coolant that the radiator can't keep up, or the radiator can't reject it fast enough, or some combination of both. But once the thermostat is wide open, its job is done and now the radiator has to get rid of the heat or die trying.
There's more to it since the radiator's delta-V isn't a fixed number (it won't always drop coolant temperatures 20 degrees, for instance) and ambient air temperature is obviously a significant factor. My '41 Buick typically runs at 180 or so, but yesterday with temperatures around 48 degrees it barely hit the 160 rating of the thermostat and I could watch on the gauge every time the thermostat opened because it would drop to 150 before gradually climbing back up to 160--that's the thermostat opening and closing and the radiator being almost too good at its job.
All above does not apply to cars using a winter front or shutter thermostat in front of the car..........that setup does not regulate coolant flow.
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Looks like Big Al helped pick the colors for the repaint. I was consulted on this car extensively. Interesting test bed Caddy. If your into one off cars..........hard to go wrong. It’s a lot like AJ’s high school girlfriends..........hard on the eyes!
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1 hour ago, alsancle said:
I think any car with trippes should be discounted 25%.
Your light as usual........50%!
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The Packard Super Eight is certainly the "go to" roadster of the era. They are fairly common and come up for sale enough so that you can have options before you pull the trigger. Many of the other brands as very similar to Packards, but are scarce as hen's teeth. My only objection to pre 1932 Packards is there are so many of them, and I like to be on a field with a "what's that car? type of ride. That's what made my White so appealing........never gonna see another one. There is no perfect car, just cars that we find, fix, and learn to live with. Like women, some cars are easier to live with than others. Packard, Pierce, Lincoln, Cadillac and all the others NEVER made junk. They did have their challenges back in the day, and today also. The only pre war cars I have ever gotten sorted to what I call "done" and didn't stay there with just minimum basic exercise and service? Cadillac's from 1929 to 1932. Love them..........and hate them. The best all around pre war car that as an overall package is the "best on the road". Simple, easy choice- 1934 Packard V-12. I have never owned one, but worked on countless numbers. They do EVERYTHING well......with no excuses. Don't tell the Pierce guys please.
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4 hours ago, Chris Bamford said:
It’s ready for paint and installation... my beloved couldn’t figure out what it is; I thought forum members might be interested to try.
I’ll post in-use photos tomorrow.
Not much mystery here, obviously it's a henway.
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3 hours ago, Tph479 said:
I’ll work up the power to weight ratio of both the 900 and 904 later today. The 900 has 110hp, the 904 has 135hp. Let’s not cheat with the downdraft carb... My friend has a 904 so I’ll ask him if we can do a side by side performance comparison with the 900 in the near future. I think the 900 also accounted for 60% of the sales in 1932 so it couldn’t have been that much of a disaster in the period, besides the factory losing money on every one they built.
It can be argued that Packard went downstream in 1922 with the single six....
I would enjoy seeing the literature you have. It should also be stated that the 900 was Jessie Vincents pet project, and that he had Werner Gubitz , Packards head designer draw it up. Gubitz previously worked for Dietrich-
What’s for lunch and whose paying? Should we both have are credit cards ready?
The downdraft carb was a mid year upgrade.........as was the transmission. I think the 900 has synchro's in all of them. I have ours with the updraft and crash box, as it was one of the first 904's built but I do have the downdraft and synchro trans ready to go when we are done showing it...........legend is quite a few went back for the upgrade. I didn't realize the 900 was a platform they lost money on.........guess I need to read my Packard books again.
Like I said.......if it's Pierce, I can quote things as well as the factory back in the day, Packard...not so much. BUT I have driven them all, and I still say the 904 is the best platform Packard ever made.........for my money. 👍
I'll be at Amelia for lunch all next week. Lets say Wednesday at 12:30 in the private dining room on the 12th floor at the Ritz? 🤑 Works good for me because it comes with my room..........that way none of us lose the bet........
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Having driven several 900’s.........and where is the 1932 904? The BIG eight? We have one, and I have driven it hundreds of miles. I can tell you there is NO comparison. The 904 with the Stromberg downdraft and synchro transmission will eat the 900 for breakfast. And for fastest speed number on the chart.........I’m certain the 904 will easily hit 100 mph. I’m guessing the 904 horsepower is in the 145 area.............in my humble opinion, having driven every packard platform from 1927 to 1941 the 904 is the BEST overall chassis. I prefer it over our 1108’s. I actually own the 900 and Twin Six advertising portfolio sent to the New York Times for both cars introductions......including clip art, articles from engineering in design of the platforms, multiple ad layout instructions, ect. There are over 100 pieces in the portfolio. Not in one instance does the 900 info compare it to Packards other offerings. Your chart doesn’t show a 1932 900 horsepower output..........for a reason. It was certainly a fraction of a 1932 904. If you want, get a 1932 900 and we can run them side by side.......you will be buying lunch.
As far as a 900 vs a Twin Six, the twelve is probably 30 percent heavier, and as a first year offering certainly not as powerful as the later larger displacement V-12. In fit, finish, and style the 900 cant touch it. And I doubt in mid range and top end the 900 would probably not be close behind. I have driven two 1932 Twin Six cars..........and I certainly don’t remember them to be lacking in power or acceleration. I expect others here will have horsepower values for all of Packards offerings in 1932. It will be interesting to see apples to apples.
One last note........as a Pierce guy, and particularly a Pierce V-12 guy.......the Packard 904 is one of the top pre war platforms on the planet in 1932 for power and speed. The 904 Packard is faster and more powerful than the 1932 Pierce.......mostly because in 1932 Pierce went smaller on the eight displacement to intentionally make it have less horsepower that the two different V-12 they were offering. Besides a Model J, the 904 Packard is probably the fastest and most powerful eight offered in America that year.
PS- I think the 900 Packard from 1932 is a very nice car.........a mid range car, it wasn’t built to compete with Packards bigger offerings.......but in the long run, the small series Packards is what put the first nail in the coffin of Packard Motor Cars. By the time the 120 came out they were selling a much lower end and lessor product than the senior cars.......eventually it ruined the prestige and reputation of Packard from a superior super premium luxury car to just another car. I’m certain others will chime in and disagree..........but I stand by my comments.
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A quick look shows the 1932 Series 900 at 319 cid displacement, and the 904 at 384.5 cid. That’s a twenty five percent difference...........and horsepower of the 900 is posted in several places as 110, and the 904 is listed in a range from 135 to 145 depending on sources..........so 140 is a fair average and a decent guess. The Twin Six was rated at 160 horsepower in 1932, and I’m guessing it was higher in 1933. From what I read, the 900 series was killed off in 33 because of complaints from the dealers.......but I’m not familiar with the nuances of Packards form year to year as far as sales per unit. Take it all in, and the 904 is the best platform in 1932 for driving and performance. The prestige of the Twin Six can’t be discounted...........overall 1932 a Packards lineup was impressive..........but the 900 was a red headed stepchild.
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I think today, 3500-4500 is fair market, on an open car. Closed car guys won’t usually spend the money. They have good value. If they are 18 inch, they are ever more rare......but much harder to sell.
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Since Deerfield is about 12 miles from my home up North, and I know just about every old car guy there, and have not seen this car.................strange events are not unusual. The town is home to some rather strange people........unlike us normal guys here............
As far as 1932 Packards go, the 900 shovel nose is the “lowest offering” Packard had and it came out late in the year along with the Twin Six. Having driven a bunch of them, while they are nice cars, they are no where near the big cars. I’m a Pierce guy, but our 904 Custom is a very nice car...........and will run circles around a 900.
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One interesting note......the old Eaton forum has “bolt size”. They run from 5/16 to 1/2. On a J, they are 7/8! Big iron!
Current state of affairs, the Great White Caravan for the CCCA
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Chappy........
Have you ever driven the beaches in a 4x4? I think not. Been out to Gay Head? I think not. Grabbed the brass ring on the merry - go - round? Nope........been to the Bible Village? Chilmark ? Have you had coffee in West Tisbury on the general store's porch with Alan Dershowitz? You can't see the forest for the trees.