bobg1951chevy

In all of this, I was told by the Inspector and later by the Supervisor that the issuing of the title should have been the period at the end of the sentence. I was told all inspections would cease, if a title was issued. I was also told if there was a "glitch" in the paperwork, or serial number or whatever, NO TITLE would be issued, regardless of the 30 day statute. I believe that 30 day clause is for inspections that move along smoothly, without any "glitches". If a review is permitted for one year, I have not been told or read of this policy. Recall, the objections did not begin with serial number tag rivets, instead the serial number tag rivet complaint came to light six months after all this began, in October of 2016. MC, since you have been on the review committee, I would appreciate direction here, whether through this forum, a PM or my personal email address.

Ozstatman, you are welcome.

MC, your point is well taken, and my error was believing "foreign vehicle" was a MG or a Jaguar, etc. Reading the NC definition clarifies "foreign vehicle". An "out of state vehicle" phrase could have been used. I ALWAYS do my due diligence, when making a vehicle purchase. I verify the title has no lien, I verify the title is in the name of the current owner selling the car, and I certainly verify the serial numbers on the title match the serial numbers on the car. If there is a concern in any of those mentioned areas, I am not a buyer. In this instance, buying this vehicle from my late friends estate, I was 2,000 miles from the car. I had my late friends grown daughter take a clear picture of the serial number tag, along with both sides of the New Mexico title. I was satisfied with what I saw. I am not stating, by any stretch, that my 1951 should not have been inspected in NC. Instead, I erroneously saw the statute presented to me, as another incorrect issue, during this venture. My vehicle was inspected, my serial number was run through the system, found to be trouble free. In addition, my New Mexico title was clear, clean, without any exceptions noted on the N.M. title. Upon inspection by the NC DMV, and without any additional concerns or infractions, my title should have been issued, which it was. Receiving my title told me my vehicle and its paperwork passed the tests in North Carolina. One month after receiving my title is when concerns were announced, and various concerns were added, going on and on, since that point in time. Once the Officer / Inspector discovered my title was issued, he folded up his paperwork, etc., stated this case was closed, because the title had already been issued. That was in early December of 2016. But his words did not close the case. If concerns were there, by the Raleigh NC DMV, upon inspection of the serial number and the pictures taken by the DMV, my title should not have been issued to me.

In NC, the definition of "restored" is to "make like new again", as it originally appeared from the factory. With "reconstructed", an example was given, regarding a vehicle which was deemed a "total loss", by insurance company standards. This "total loss" vehicle is purchased by an individual, which then creates a "salvage title", for that individual. That individual "rebuilds" the "total loss" vehicle, which then creates a "reconstructed" title, after repairs are complete. So no, restored and reconstructed are miles apart in procedures.

MC Hinson: Something needs to happen here, after seven months, this can only been labeled as harassment, in my opinion. I believe Mr. Kelly Thomas is the Commissioner of the NC DMV, do you know this to be true ?

Yes, by their acknowledgement, these folks I have been dealing with use the NICB. Although the necessary information is found in the NICB files, the "applicable years" is where the problems exists.

Maybe those clear plastic skirts were made by Fingerhut, the clear plastic seat cover company.

In October of 2016, I surrendered my clear and clean New Mexico title to the local NC DMV, applied for a NC title, and purchased my NC plates. I had purchased a '51 restored Chevy from my late friends estate in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Because this was an out of state car, the police officer / state inspector came to my home, snapped pics of the car and the serial number tag. The inspector informed me he would send his pics and his info to the Raleigh, NC DMV. Raleigh is the state capital. Inspector stated if all checked out OK with my '51, in Raleigh, my new NC Title would be mailed out within 30 days. Three weeks later, in early November, I had my NC Title, as I expected. End of story ........ don't I wish. Four weeks after receiving the new title, in early December, the inspector is back at my home, stating my serial number tag should be spot welded to A pillar, and not riveted, as mine is. The Inspector did NOT know my new NC Title had been issued a month earlier, then stated my new title could be revoked, along with my new NC license plates, due to the above infraction. Folks from AACA and VCCA sent pics of their 1951 riveted serial number tags, just like mine, which I forwarded. Chevrolet began the serial number tag "spot riveting" procedure in 1953. Three weeks after the above visit, in late December of 2016, I had the Inspector back again, this time the size, color and shape of my serial number tag did not match the illustration # 61, in the "unit serial number section" of the 1949 to 1953 GM Chevrolet Service Manual. When this 1949 to 1953 manual went to press, GM did not update the illustrations up to the current years of the manual, so the serial number illustration shown was that of an earlier year Chevrolet (s). The Officer / Inspector then sent me two emails, one in late December of 2016, the second email in early January of 2017, stating they were finished, nothing else was needed .... they were finished with their investigations with my 1951 Chevy. Moving on from early January of 2017 to April of 2017........ In mid April of 2017, the Supervisor of the inspectors contacted me, now believing my serial number was not correct. The Supervisor wants to come out to view "the hidden serial number" on my 1951 Chevy, to validate the serial number tag on my A Pillar. I explained the "hidden serial number" was not utilized in a 1951 Chevrolet. The solution then was to inspect my engine serial number on my six cylinder engine, for that engine serial number will match the vehicle serial number, I was told. I explained the 1951 did not have "matching numbers" plus the original 216 six cylinder engine was replaced with a 1961 235 six cylinder engine. Two days after the above event, the Supervisor contacted me again, now saying the serial number tag attaching rivets are not the same "appearing" rivets, from the original factory installation, in 1951. From my perspective, I have seen a variance in rivets, based on the ten different Chevrolet assembly plants operating in 1951. Approximately 20 years ago, long before I owned this 1951, it was restored in Minnesota. Not knowing the circumstances back then, I could imagine rivets being replaced, during a restoration, if the rivets were broken or rusted or damaged. I do know the cowl tag body production number and the vehicle serial number are close in numerical sequence, to one another. No doubt in my mind, the serial number is the correct vehicle serial number for my vehicle, based on the stamped cowl tag number. I have read a copy of the statute or law, illustrating the form followed, for the inspection of my 1951 antique. The information is not next to me now, but the heading closely reads "for specially constructed, or reconstructed or foreign vehicles", none of which fit the criteria of my antique 1951 Chevy. It is quickly approaching seven months, since the initial inspection. I must say the Inspector and the Supervisor have been civil and pleasant to me, throughout this "ordeal", as they carry out Raleigh's wishes, but honestly, I am at my wits end, truly at my wits end. I'm certainly a very senior guy, these ongoing, unpleasant events take their toll. According to the NC DMV, all these inquiries and inspections were to take place BEFORE my NC title was issued, and not after the fact. If there was a problem, during the DMV initial investigation, search, etc., the problem needed to be addressed and rectified BEFORE the NC Title was issued. My NC Title was issued three weeks after my application, with no concerns, delays or problems noted. The purpose of this letter is to determine if anyone in NC has had the same experience. If so, how was it handled and what was the outcome. Thanks for taking the time.

Went a saw this one in person. Yes, it shows 15,000 miles, but the odometer numbers are up and down, like a roller coaster. I'm thinking 115,000 miles. Engine is very dirty, greasy. an oil leaker. The angle you see in the pic is the best angle. L.F. fender needs repair, the right rear quarter has several dents, above the wheel opening. Owner has clear title, but the complete serial number is not on the title .... a typo error, but a potential azz ache at the DMV.

SPARKEE, I have talked to the lady on the red/orange one, it's over 100,000 miles. I also saw the white one, but I'm looking for the bucket seat Monza. Thanks, though. Either one would cost approx. $2,500 to ship, from the west coast to here in NC.

Still looking for a '65 to '69 Corvair Coupe, in nice condition. Tough assignment, The "for sale" ads are not matching the cars attached to those same ads. Just drove 520 miles round trip, only to discover the serial number on the title did not match the serial number on the car. That discovery was after I spoke to the seller .... before my trip, telling me all the numbers matched, between title and car. Same car .... owner states car has low mileage, but looking at the up and down positions of the 5 digits on the odometer leads me to believe the car has the mileage shown ........ plus 100,000 miles. Sad that some folks are not straight forward, as to the content of their ads, regarding the ACTUAL condition of the vehicle. Sorry to rattle on ..... just very discouraged. There must be a AACA member out there who has a nice Monza Coupe for sale. Help !

Yes sir, memory joggers for certain ...... with pleasant memories attached to each one.

NEW FLEXPLATE LOCATED, THANK YOU.

Want to buy a flexplate, in good condition, for a 1950 to 1954 216 / 235 with PowerGlide. Contact Bob @ bobg1951chevy@ellijay.com

This is an amazing collection, just amazing !

Still looking for a good Monza Coupe ....... at a reasonable price.

Brand new, reproduction, one piece bumpers, still in the original shipping box.

Anyone out there thinking of selling their well maintained '65 to '69 Corvair Monza Coupe with P.G. ? Let me know. Bob.

Must be a '65 to '69, must have a powerglide tranny. Why no turbos ? Didn't think a turbo came with powerglide.

Me either.

I continue to look for the '65 to '69 Monza out there, who is looking for its next caretaker. A TURN KEY CAR, NO PROJECTS. 110 H.P. IS FINE, 140 H.P IS OK, BUT NO TURBOS. Must be Powerglide. Must have a clean title, in the current owners name. Contact me with pics, mileage and asking price. Email bobg1951chevy@ellijay.com Thanks, Bob

Keep in mind, FREE DELIVERY to Charlotte Autofair, after bumpers are purchased.

SOLD - One Set of NEW Reproduction One Piece California Style Bumpers. Fits 1949 to 1952 Chevy Passenger Cars One Front Bumper & One Rear Bumper. New Bumper Bolts Included. NEVER USED, NEVER INSTALLED, Still in original shipping box. Compare To Online Prices Of $610 to $720 ...... Plus Shipping. MY PRICE IS $575.OO. LOCAL PICKUP or FREE DELIVERY to CHARLOTTE AUTOFAIR, after your purchase. Send P.M. or Contact bobg1951chevy@ellijay.com

Thanks Marty, should add that both my wife and myself have had our "clutch knees" replaced. I need to reconstruct the wording in my ad, stating "must be powerglide". NOW REWRITTEN.

Thanks Al, Marty explains it all so well.