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  1. Unfortunately there's always loss. The condenser can't process all of the exhaust of an engine under heavy load, so the system just vents the excess. But you could probably go 100-150 miles. Enough so that you wouldn't have to worry about the disappearance of the horse troughs back in the teens.
  2. I think the limo is in Illinois somewhere. A friend of mine maintains it for the owner. The roadster is pretty elusive - my last references to it are in Riviera Beach, FL, in 1958 and 1960. It must still be around, I'd love to know what became of it.
  3. Pictures 2 & 4 are Raceland, so some time between 1939 and the early '50s. The Stanleys are pictures 3 & 4. 3 is the tremendous 1923 Springfield limousine #23627, during the time it was owned by Clarence Marshall of Delaware. You can see the Delaware antique car plate on the front. This photo wasn't taken at Marshalls' place. 4 is the Evans Larson car - thank you so much for this picture, it shows the back of that body very nicely, which I had never seen before. The factory roadster body dropped off steeply right behind the seat.
  4. This is definitely Raceland. Possibly 1950, and I think the car in front is a Stanley belonging to Evans Larson. This body doesn't seem to be Stanley's standard roadster. I've always wondered about this and have no idea where this car ended up after it went to an E. S. Johnson in Florida.
  5. Capacity varies by the car. People usually figure about 1 mile to the gallon for non-condensers, and steam tour arrangers try to make sure there's a water stop every 25 miles. or so You end up developing a sharp eye for houses with water hoses hanging out front.
  6. Correct. It adds energy and gives more expansion in the cylinders. Some people add separators. Some float oil-soaking pigs in the water supply tank. A few resort to what Stanleys did, using steel tubes instead of copper and welding them to the bottom head. This is a harder boiler to build, and it reduces the effectiveness of one of the safety features of the Stanley boiler design - soft tubes that collapse and leak if there's a pressure incident that has managed to dodge all the other safety devices (rare), and bleeding the pressure down to 0. Some people just say the heck with it, disconnect the condenser, dump the engine exhaust, and stop for water along with all the non-condensers.
  7. The fundamental design of the car stayed the same. They're both 20hp, and the Stanley engine design remained the same, with just some beefing up of parts. Water & fuel pumps are very similar, but the late car pushes them with a gear-reduction crank on the rear axle instead of linking them right to the engine. They're slower and quieter. Boilers are identical. The original superheater in a 1908 factory car was laid out differently from the later cars, and kind of clumsy, so people rarely build them that way now for any car. The 1908 car used a single fuel system for both pilot and main burner, gasoline, while the later car uses kerosene for the main burner. There were some mild technical advances. The later car has a boiler water level indicator that's a little easier to read. It also has an automatic device to manage the boiler water level, which makes a considerable difference in the driving experience. Less manual twiddling of valves while driving. Later cars also included an air pressure reserve tank, so that if you needed to add fuel pressure manually on the road, you wouldn't have to get out a pump. The later cars also changed the engine oil supply from a small plunger pump to an industrial box lubricator. There was actually one step backward. With the addition of the condenser, the oil-filled exhaust steam returns to the water supply tank. Oily water then goes into the boiler, which tends to coat the bottom, inhibiting heat transfer and increasing the odds of boiler damage. Oil separators were available at the time, but for some reason the Stanley company never chose to use one. They changed their boiler construction a little as a kind of workaround, but it makes much more sense to just leave the oil out. But when you can drive one, it doesn't take too many adjustments in your technique to drive the other.
  8. I have to agree. The lines on that body are identical to the Stanley, as well as on this 1920 period shot. I do notice that the front & rear doors both swing the same way on the Stanley body, leaving a very narrow line between front & rear openings. What mystifies me is why the body flares out in front of the windshield, instead of tapering in toward the hood like on these cars. It tells me that this body started out on something other than a Brewster-nameplate car.
  9. This Stanley is now in the Audrain Automobile Museum. They say it has a top speed of 70, maybe that's all the faster they care to drive it. 🙂 Goggles required... https://audrainautomuseum.org/cars/1908-stanley-model-h-5/
  10. The prices I was estimating were for the standard 20hp size. People have put 26" boilers in condensing cars, and it makes a big improvement in how they drive. Things get a little cramped but it has been done. It doesn't exactly give you more power, but more steam. You can sustain a higher speed. and climb hills faster. Bill Barnes in Lewistown, PA also builds boilers. (No difference in the boiler between condensing and non-condensing.) Actually this car might not be any heavier than a 7-passenger touring car. The body is pretty small, and all wood.
  11. That's the big if. Everything looks fine, but there's no way of knowing what happened on the last drive, and no testing has been done. Engines rarely have trouble, but boilers are often ruined by operator error. A new boiler would run about $6K, a burner maybe $4K, and then you'd have to put them in. The rest of the mechanicals are pretty simple and reliable.
  12. The color choice is definitely beyond my comprehension. I think people typically prefer open Stanleys. There are only about 2 dozen sedans & broughams left. This is such an unique artifact that it's possible it will just catch the right person's eye - difficult to guess whether it will go high or low. It would be worth a couple extra thousand just for the little smile on your face every time you open and close those doors! Man is that body solid.
  13. It doesn't have a price fixed at the moment. Just finished up on eBay, not meeting reserve at $36,900.
  14. Now there's the observation of a real steam guy! :-) I can't imagine it would be very helpful - must have been just decorative. It's definitely all Stanley except the body.
  15. The emblem on the shell is Stanley. I'm not sure what's on the Motometer.
  16. Thinking about the view from the Packard driver's seat - 10 feet of hood and a couple inches of sky? A astonishingly good-looking car, though!
  17. This body was mounted on a bare chassis purchased from Stanley in 1923. But it required some adaptation. It appears that the body itself was built around 1913. The rear fenders look to be from that era, and the body actually flares outward in front of the windshield, as though it were meeting a wide flat firewall. This also makes me think of 1913, when electric cowl lights were first incorporated into flat firewalls, just before the big streamlining change starting in 1914. The body is tiny, probably a 4-passenger sedan or a brougham, but quite elaborate inside. Most of the interior is wood, with a ribbed ceiling, and a rather open driver's seat. The door panels are canework. A modern restorer removed the flat rear fenders and modified some 1923 Stanley fenders to fit. You can see in the modern picture some of the results of the 1923 fitting project - the hood doesn't reach the sills, and there's a deep transition cowl to get from the flared body in to the Stanley hood. The body survived in stunning condition - everything intact, and the doors close with a fantastic solid clunk. It looks like there was a book in 1917 titled "Brewster & Company Automobiles" - would anybody be able to check that for something like this car? Are there any period photos of Brewster bodies from around 1913 that could be used for reference? I'd sure appreciate any ideas on the history of this body. Thanks, Kelly
  18. Pivoting driving light car - '31 Buick, large series. I grew up in a 50 series car.
  19. Re: Model A Victoria - all trunk hardware identical, yet one trunk is tall and fitted to the rear, and one is short and square? Advertising photos from a trunk-making company?
  20. Thanks coachJC, no accusations, just thinking about things and being careful. Thanks for the explanation, maybe it will help others.
  21. Previous posts have generated links to "content.invision.cic", that ended with ".jpg", for enlargements. These latest posts have generated links to "lh3.googlusercontent.com" with a long string of random characters and no ".jpg". I have not tried to follow one to see if there's a picture there. Did the AACA forum change photo hosts in midstream? Here's another test image to see if the same thing happens for my posts. Later: I see that this post is acting the same as the beginning of this thread. I'd be hesitant to click on the gray object in the posts of earlier today..
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