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  1. Thanks Ron. This is a project car that was built up around 1970 on a Dodge frame & front end. The serial # on the frame is A 815-579. It looked like that put it between Oct 29 and Nov 3 of 1926. Interestingly, the small leaf of the front spring has "11 26" stamped in one half. The other half shows DB 22041, which looks like a '24-'27 part #, according to another page I found online. I was kind of hoping that meant that other parts would interchange in those years, and improve the odds of finding stuff. I couldn't find any numbers on the tie rod, but the axle has E22644F DB266 cast into it.
  2. Hi, I'm looking for front springs, a tie rod, the small springs that go in the drag link, and the ball on the steering arm. Thanks, Kelly Williams Mount Joy, PA
  3. I'm working on a put-together car that has the frame and front end of a late 1926 Dodge. It was assembled about 45 years ago. I thought the steering was a little stiff so I greased the kingpins - big mistake. Now it has a death shimmy if I hit a bump with one wheel at low speed. I've pulled the front end completely apart and found plenty of wear. It looks possible to get a lot of new pins, bolts, bushings and shackles from places like Myers and Romar. But I suspect the biggest culprit is slop in the tie rod ends. The existing pins don't look worn where they touch the yokes, but they really rattle around in there. It doesn't appear that the yokes themselves are bushed. How do people go about returning them to a nice close fit on the pins? Thanks, Kelly
  4. Keep 'em coming! Allred was one of the chief Stanley technicians of his time. I'm hoping that some of his correspondence or paperwork has survived, and that I'll be able to study it in detail some day. There is a wealth of puzzle-solving info that can be gleaned from even the smallest offhand comment in material like this. Kelly
  5. There has been one significant propane-related fire in a Stanley. I haven't heard of any others, large or small. In 1969, the owner of 1917 Stanley Model 728 #17292 (see Stanley Register Online - 1917 ) took it to a parade at Knott's Berry Farm. He had converted the pilot to run on propane. A witness observed him fill a spare tank that morning, failing to follow proper practice with propane tanks. The spare tank was placed on the floor in the rear seat area. As the day warmed, the spare tank released propane into the rear seat area. Since propane is heavier than air, it collected in the well between the front and rear seats. A passenger lit a cigarette and caused a rapid and violent fire. There were fatalities, including the owner. The car was driven from the scene. Knott's Berry Farm permanently banned the presence of steam cars on their property. This incident caused considerable debate in steam car circles about the use of propane. 40+ years later, some insist that propane should not be used in a steam car for any purpose. However, many steam car operators use propane pilots today; they tend to be more reliable than vaporizing pilots. And such discussions generally fail to note the long-term successful use of propane as a vehicle fuel inside buildings (forklifts). Every liquid or gaseous fuel carries significant hazards. When each is handled with the correct care, it serves without harming. Practically speaking, using propane for the main burner would probably be unsatisfactory. 1) Its energy density is lower, as pointed out by the previous poster, so more gallons, and thus more weight, would have to be carried to travel the same number of miles. 2) It requires a heavy steel tank, which would be challenging to locate on the car and add even more weight, reducing fuel mileage further. 3) It could be difficult to find propane refueling service during extended tours. Although I have to admit it's getting harder to find kerosene these days. Kelly P.S. ligurian, is that a Model F you're building? Looks nice...
  6. Well alrighty then. George Bachleda, at Olcar Bearing Company 135 James Creek Southern Pines, NC 28387 910-693-3324 fixed me up immediately from stock, bearings and seals, at a nice price. Highly recommended. I didn't learn what might be used after his stock runs out, but will probably not be putting enough miles on to wear out these ones. P.S. I have to confess that it's not an entire '27 Dodge - see Stanley Register Online - #6850
  7. What are you 1925-27 folks using for a front outer bearing cone? It was Timken 1751, but they seem impossible to find. I called Timken, and the person said that it's not obsolete, and they would make some (6 months from now) if somebody ordered them. But if I call Timken distributors, they either tell me it's obsolete or say that it cross-references as a throwout bearing. Anyone have any success replacing one of these lately? And, what would you use for the felt grease seal? The only # I've been able to find is 5M0123, and I haven't found that in any stores yet. Thanks, Kelly Williams Mount Joy, PA
  8. Actually there are people in the Stanley world who would pay considerably more than the estimate provided by the Roadshow. But it's priceless to her because she knows she won't sell it. I was actually a bit surprised that she exposed it to the public in this way. Stanleys have been assembled from scratch since the early 1960s, and for many years other holders of this book would be queried "Can you give me a serial number from that book that was delivered on the same model as the car I'm building?" Once such a serial number was revealed and installed, and 20 or 30 years went by, there's even less possibility of determining whether the car is a recent assembly, or mostly came out of the factory on the same day. There are a bunch of niggling problems brought on by this kind of behavior, like multiple cars with the same number (one number is actually on 3 different cars right now), and the eventual exhaustion of all numbers associated with a popular model. The muscle car, Model K, is a good example. It had the largest powerplant produced, in the smallest body. There are probably 3 that can be considered factory survivors, and at least 13 others on the road. I know of 3 more under construction right now. And a total of 26 K's were originally built by the factory. But I think the biggest issue is this. As is certainly true with other makes, there have been some Stanley owners/builders who feel that if people can be deceived into thinking that a car is "factory", the car will bring them more money. The whole situation irritates the current holder of the book, and she doesn't care to allow the information in there to support any more people applying serial numbers to cars that don't have them. There would be ways to manage & acknowledge recent provenance of cars, which in the case of Stanleys are generally outstanding technical and craftsmanship achievements. Some ways are going on right now with other makes. But they generally involve a central body of some kind, and Stanley people can be pretty stubborn individualists. And, the process has been going on for so long that the horse is pretty much out of the barn. It's hard to see how the situation could be improved. Kelly
  9. The best approach for supporting research, and one that I'd be happy to implement personally and at my expense. However, the owner is extremely sensitive to misuse of the information, in this era of assembled Stanleys, and makes sure that no one but herself and her descendants will ever be permitted to look at the information in the book. Kelly
  10. The book was kept to provide information for warranty service. It contains only the car's serial number, model number, and date of delivery. Unfortunately there is no other information about the cars, nor any information about owners. The owner of the book considers it a priceless family heirloom, intended to stay in the family in future generations. Kelly
  11. This car was sold as a 1917 Stanley, with this body. It has 1917 Stanley front fenders and engine. It was completely restored with this body, but I'm pretty sure the body is not Stanley. It looks more like it's from the late '20s, and it doesn't match any sedan body ever pictured in Stanley literature. Also, note the curved ridge on the body above the rear fender - like it was meant to align whatever the real fenders were that came with this body. This 9-window style seems like it should be pretty distinctive, and I'm hoping it will jump right out at somebody. Thanks. Kelly
  12. Hi, I'm studying a notebook that belonged to an early antique car hunter. He mentions a Dr. Schaeffer in San Bernardino who owned 125 cars, including a big Thomas. This must have been quite a collection for the late '40s, when this notebook page was written, but I don't recall this name. Does anyone remember a collection this big from that time? Kelly
  13. Henry C. Palmer had a traveling steam car museum in the 1960s - an article about it appeared in The Steam Automobile, 1967, v9 #4, page 20. http://www.steamautomobile.com/archivepdf/SAv9n4.CV01.pdf In addition to Model 63 #6354 (Stanley Register Online - 1912), which Palmer told me was the best-running Stanley he had ever seen, he had a 740 chassis and engine. It's barely visible in the corner of the picture in the Steam Automobile article. Palmer advertised the chassis for sale in 1971 with an uninstalled water tube boiler as an available extra. Apparently he went ahead and installed the boiler, built the wagon body, and made the car operational, because Deane Glover purchased it from Palmer in that state. Glover drove it numerous times, and sold it to Erlyn Wilker in 1984. Wilker wrote an odd article about the car for The Steam Automobile,1985, v26 #3, page 8. http://www.steamautomobile.com/archivepdf/SAv26n3.pdf A good bit of the article is sentences copied from George Woodbury's The Story of a Stanley Steamer, without credit being given. It is unknown how much Wilker operated the car. Legendary Motorcar appears to have acquired it from the Wilker estate. My semi-educated guess is that it will stay on their lot for a while at that price, then somebody will buy it for less than that and have an affordable entry into a steam car - one that they can rip & tear & learn on without worrying about ruining a complete factory car with historical value. Kelly
  14. I've just learned that a fellow named John Russell, in Orlando, was the manager of Rice Trew & Rice in 1950, and that he had Stanleys. Might this name ring a bell as an early Franklin owner also?
  15. Unfortunately it doesn't have a Dodge engine. As far as I can tell, the only things Dodge are frame, springs, steering box, front axle, wheels, and hubcaps. Part of the goal for determining what year is to be able to buy correct suspension replacement parts. It also looks like I would need to know the model - the Romar & Meyers catalogs list different bushings & bolts for different models in '27, for example.
  16. Hi all, I'm working on a speedster which was built on a Dodge frame & front axle. It has 24" wheels, which made me think it was a 1924 car. But I've looked at the steering box on some '24s, and they don't match mine. The steering box for a '27, however, is an exact match. And it appears to be riveted on. The frame number seems to be gone, but there are a few casting numbers visible. Front axle is E22644F DB266, steering box is 18088, rear shackle is 18287 DB320, another rear shackle is 18288 DB336 . Is there any chance that these would narrow down the year? Thanks, Kelly
  17. There's a great photo on eBay right now, Beautiful antique car autumobile by garage photo - eBay (item 380223441187 end time May-10-10 13:39:57 PDT) Probably taken before 1954. I'm trying to figure out who owned a Stanley that was photographed in exactly the same spot (that photo also for sale by the same seller), and have drawn a blank. Maybe if this car is distinctive enough to be identified, the owner will have turned out to have a collection, and I'll recognize the name. Thanks...
  18. Great car! There are quite a few nice ones in that collection - do you know when & where the auction will be held?
  19. Here's a bit of custom work from the '60s, adapting '46-'54 Mopar backing plates to a 1919 Stanley rear axle. The backing plate & wheel cylinder are pretty normal, but they found this great mechanical linkage that operates both shoes. It was necessary to mount a bushing through the bottom of the backing plate, and make up some custom bellcranks. The spaced needed for the bushing required grinding the anchor end of the shoes down to a thin sliver. The left-hand "shoe guide thing" had its rivets drilled out, the curl on the end cut off, rebent so that the cut tip contacts the shoe spine, and remounted with screws - all this to allow clearance for the pivot arm of the mechanical linkage. The mechanical linkage parts definitely look like factory items - but what factory? The only text anywhere is the number "2260 23" on one of the spreader pieces. If anyone recognizes this linkage, I'd be much obliged if you'd let me know. Kelly
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