1912Staver

Actually the small number of people that have just 1 old car, in mint shape, that may or may not leave the garage a 1/2 dozen or so times a year and probably pay someone else to work on it eliminating a huge outlay of time and money on all the parts of the hobby apart from the car itself are the sane ones. 90 % of the remainder of us fall into your definition pkhammer. About 5% of us are in Ed's category from what I have seen. My father put it best years ago " if you had put just 10% of the effort you put into learning about old cars into learning how to make money all of your problems would have been solved years ago." Unfortunately time has proved him so right. I continue to learn about old cars with great enthusiasm, the making money part has been a far less successful.

But for $300.00 Canadian if you need anything off it it's probably a good investment.

Here is another one as we are talking Monarch's . Pretty rough ! But some very rare parts. (3) Marketplace - 1958 Ford Monarch | Facebook

Other than the DeSoto grill it does not look like much of the Monarch specific stuff is missing. The grill swap was quite popular back in the later 1950's. My father had one back when I was very young. Sold to move up to a 1953 Ford. Ford was very low miles according to my father so even though he preferred the Monarch in many ways the Ford only had something like 1/3 the miles on the clock so practicality won out. When I was young back in the early 1960's Monarch's didn't seem especially rare. But my father was always on the look out for them and would often point them out to me when we were driving together. I think he would have liked to own another one later in life but never did. We almost bought one as a father and son project back in the early 70's but it got sold before we could make up our minds. Of course if you look at convertibles only , even in the early 1960's they were quite rare. Most were regular 4 door sedans.

Funny enough one of the few cars from pre 1990 or so my 24 year old son likes is also these early 1970's Corvettes. In 1968 one of my grade school teachers bought a new 68. All the kids in my class including me thought he was the coolest teacher on the planet. He was just in the process of moving up to vice principal of the school, I guess he blew his pay raise on the Vette.

I am reasonably tall, but I grew up driving a mix of Mustangs and British MG's and similar sports cars. I find I fit in both. Although cars like MG Midget's are a bit snug. I also have a couple of 1970's British race cars. I very carefully tested if I could get a comfortable seating position before I bought them. Early 1980's onward and most of the British open wheel cars { Formula Fords } started getting smaller. Larger people like me don't really fit in them.

The 1940's are in general one of the decades that interest me the least. But most convertibles are of at least some interest to me. There is always someone willing to pay a lot more for a 1940's convertible than I would be willing to. So I don't really even scan for them. I do like early 1950's cars. I still regret selling my project 1953 Chevy convertible . Sold about 20 or so years ago. No way I can afford one these days.

Somehow I thought Tulare was further North. I guess I need to go back to map reading school. Long drive to either for me.

I have seen a few interesting ones you have posted. I am always looking out here on the West Coast as well, but I don't seem to find much. Most of the interesting cars I find are either in the U.S. or U.K. I am mostly a Brass Era or post war British car guy. Little of either those categories posted on here.

Generally intake flame suppressors like this indicate a Marine engine . The small round I.D. tag is probably for the flame suppressor. Is there another one on the carb itself ?

Some serious fortunes are built on garbage. Just hauling away all the offshore junk that is peddled to newcomers to the hobby would keep a few garbage removal outfits in business.

Cars like this present a difficult situation. They are ; in my opinion at least , just too significant to part out. But impossible to justify restoring. And too complex and deteriorated to just fix up as drivers. Garage art as pkhammer suggests is probably the best option. Some people out there must have spare , dry space for a grand relic like this.

My take is that no one is saying it can't be done. Far worse cars have been restored. The main point from the people out there that have experience with these cars is that this car would cost at least twice as much { and in all probability even more } to restore than just buying a already restored example. I doubt very many young people have the $200,000.00 ++ needed to restore this car just sitting around. Even doing absolutely everything your self it's still going to be close to $100,000.00.

Lastly here is a video of the " baby " V4 . Ours were all the V12 version. Almost identical except for the length. A full overhaul would take about a month. We had about 26 of them in our fleet, plus a bunch of V8 NA's as emergency generators. The V8's hardly ever got run except a couple of times a month for a 5 min. test. I didn't do any work to those ones except for service, valve lash check etc as they hardly had any hours on them . I don't think the company I worked for has any left in service anymore. Replaced by more fuel efficient Cat's and Mitsubishi units over the last 15 years.

A nice cut away. Ours were a bit newer version, this one is the NA version. Ours had a pair of big Holset turbo's. Under heavy load it would all glow in a amusing manner. Then you knew it was time to get the stand by unit on the board tout sweet.

Ed , you might as well be working on marine diesels and marine gensets like I did for 30+ years. The British Paxman gensets I worked on quite a bit for the first 15 years or so were quite a bit like these engines in overall concept. About 50% bigger , but easily as complex. The main engines were way bigger. even the tools were often a 2 person lift. Here is a typical Paxman. They were about 650 H.P. at 1200 R.P.M.

Automotive machine shops these days have their hands full with work that they can quickly { relatively speaking } turn over and make their profit on. New car/ light truck cost has gone thru the roof so more and more people repairing their older cars/ light trucks in order to save at least some money. An engine like this becomes a total one off for 99.99% of the shops out there, and lots of lost hours just learning about the thing and sourcing what few parts are available off the shelf. Probably everything except gaskets { hopefully at that } are going to a custom order / built to order situation with a big wait for delivery. Shops can't afford to have a " project " engine taking up shop space for months and months on end waiting for parts. Most shops only have so much space available for the day to day , profit generating part of the business. So all these " very non mainstream " engines end up at one of the handful of shops that can actually take on work like this and send back a properly completed engine to the customer. Those very specialized shops don't come cheap. People with enough disposable income to own a car like a Packard 12 are way more concerned with getting the job done properly than what the job costs. I expect the few people out there who do work on engines like this make a very good living. No different than pre war Bugatti, V12 Ferrari's, 300 SL Mercedes , and similar cars / engines. If the final cost matters you are not the person these cars are intended for.

It would be a great help if the photo's could be sorted into decades { based on the year of the car , not the photo itself } Almost all the cars are identified, and a bit of latitude could be given for the ones where the exact year is not precisely pinned down. Say a suspected 1919 being posted both in 1910 - 1919 and 1920 - 1929. I like all the photo's , but the ones I would be most likely to want to review would be the 1910 - 1919 decade. I am sure others would be in a similar spot, just different decades depending on ones individual interests. A big job, but probably something that could be accomplished with some effort.

Just North of you , here in Canada we have an education system that is at least somewhat better than in the U.S. according to every survey and ranking I have seen. We are typically ranked in #4 spot , following #1 Denmark, then Finland then Japan. The U.S. often barely cracks the top 10. But here in Canada incomes are on average 10% or more, less than a apples to apples comparison with the U.S. And taxes combined with cost of living is quite a bit higher. Unfortunately better education does not necessarily translate to a better standard of living.

Thanks for the offer. But not something I need myself. But a good chance someone else needs them. If you were here in British Columbia I might buy the whole chassis. But not worth a trip to Oregon, only a few hundred miles but I don't need it that much.

It looks like this chassis has the desirable 10 bolt front hubs / wheels. See c49er's comments in the 1942 Dodge for sale thread. It might be more value than just scrap.

Looks pretty rusty to me. I have a few much the same, but GMC's, and a couple of years newer 1 1945, 2 1946's . If I could get $1500.00 U.S. each I would be quite happy to sell at least 2 of them. But no one around here seems to be that eager to part with their money. I had one for sale last summer. A couple of interested people but no one even made an offer.

Both my race cars came from the U.S. and of course have never had a Title . Bill of Sale only like any built for racing car. { rather than a modified for racing, originally built for road use car } Are you saying I don't own them ? Quite a bit more valuable than many road going Collector cars. 1977 Lola, 1973 Elden F3. But no, I can't screw licence plates to them and run over to the corner store for a quart of milk in one of them. Actually a few Lola's have been road driven. But usually in the U.K. where these things tend to be easier to accomplish. What about parts of the U.S. that don't use titles. or States that don't issue them on cars older than a certain year ? It is all such a confusing mess to those of us not living in the U.S. And I spend a lot of time in the U.S., I only live about 15 miles from the Border crossing. But the logic of Titles is truly beyond me. How can something like this vary so much from State to State ?

Interesting about the scrap need for a title. Here in British Columbia , just North of you we can scrap anything at all without any need to prove ownership. I have never quite understood the whole Title thing, except I am sure glad we don't use them in Canada. They have been a complete P.I.T.A. regarding project and parts cars for me. Several I would have bought in WA. or Oregon State over the last several years, but without a Title I can't get them approved for export with U.S. Customs.

It looks like the sort of place I could really call "home ". Not so sure about my wife however. On 18 acres you could always build another " nice " house out of sight from the ' collection " part of the property to keep the spouse happy. Very cheap by Canadian standards, that would not even buy the tiniest apartment around here. But the wrong side of the border and the continent for me. I wonder what is inside all the semi trailers. Probably quite a bit of treasure. Unfortunately the medical insurance for my wife and I would eat up quite a bit of the cheap property advantage assuming we both last another 20 - 30 years. There are similar places around British Columbia for about double to triple the money. But in the British Columbia interior or somewhat Northern areas. Wife and I thought of moving further away from town, but the forest fire risk made us think twice and stay in the Vancouver area. Every summer you are throwing the dice with regards to getting burned out. Look at a 25 year ownership duration and the odds become quite concerning. My sister lives in the interior, twice in the last 5 years she has been on evacuation alert. Sooner or later luck has a way of running out. About 3% of British Columbia burned last year alone.