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Wiring Questions - 1965 Riviera Gran Sport - Below the Environmental Control Panel


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This area looks pretty simple so I thought I'd start there. Not much wiring to be seen . . .

Still - I have two wires kickin' my butt
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Red = Power to Lighter

Black = Ground but to where?? (this wire is sorta hiding behind the ash tray lamp assembly)

and the Ash Tray Light made an appearance for the first time in decades . . .

 . . .  but how to change the bulb and how to affix it to tray

 

The red wire is too easy.

That black (ground) wire doesn't seem to have a home. Any Body?

 

The Ash Tray bulb was dangling behind the dash.

How the hell do you get the bulb out?

How the hell does it attach to the ash tray (or the panel in which the ash tray sits)? That wire is pretty short

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The entire ash tray and the stuff that holds it in place pivot back and down when you open the lid.

With such a short wire, the lamp simply can't "ride" along - can it?

 

There doesn't appear to be any attaching points on the front

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The holes in the lower corners are for attaching hardware

The large opening in the center is obviously for the cigar lighter

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image.jpeg.de4f95a154a36637ba06f1c0e9441fe9.jpegThere similarly is no where to attach the ash tray lamp assembly. 

The small hex head bolts (either side of and about 2" lateral to the back of the cigar lighter) hold the ash tray mounting bracket to the panel

(BUT  - I did find the tab for the grounding wire - it is face-on (nearly invisible) at 1 o'clock to the backside of the cigar lighter. YEAH me!!)

 

So it boils down to just figuring out where the ash tray lamp assembly fits in the grand scheme of things.

TIA

 

Craig

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The "wings" of the shroud that snaps over the ashtray light socket index into two slots above the ashtray. There are very small holes in the ashtray itself that allow the light from the bulb to filter through and illuminate the inside of the ashtray.

The ground wire attaches to the metal frame of the console.

Do you have a chassis manual?? There are illustrations.

Tom Mooney

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Thanks Bill

 

I tried pressing on the small hood over the ash tray bulb but my guess it has been in place since 1965.

I'll eat my Wheaties and try again

 

I have the Classic Car Wiring schematic fir my 1965 Rivi GS - thanx.

 

Craig

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21 hours ago, 1965rivgs said:

There are very small holes in the ashtray itself that allow the light from the bulb to filter through and illuminate the inside of the ashtray.

Do you mean to tell me these 9x "salt shaker" style apertures are the ones of which you speak??

They are only visible cuz I placed a LED flashlight behind the ash tray

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Here is the view as if sitting in the car

The original 1 candle power bulb simply can't broadcast much light into the ash tray.

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Now that I have found the holes (Thanx Tom) , I'm still trying to figure out how the affix the lamp  assembly.

The most likely place to attach the lamp is to the spring steel piece that holds the ash tray in place

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I removed the Flip-Up Ash Tray door assembly to get a better view

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The only attaching point I can see is the spring steel piece

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Here is the ash tray as viewed from behind it

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So -- what am I missing?? Can you take a moment help an old man find a home for that lamp.

 

and, yes Tom - I have a few manuals; they didn't really help in this instance

  • I have the Buick Service Manual 1965 - Chassis 45000. 46000, 48000 and 49000
  • I have the Buick Service Manual 1965 - Body Riviera (in fact, I have two of them - this gettin' old shit is starting to stink)
  • I have the Buick Service Manual 1965 - Headlight Visor Riviera

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Here are some more pictures if that helps. 1963 stuff but, same idea. The little flanges on the hood surrounding the bulb fit into the slots on the side of the cigarette lighter receptacle. There is a hole in the receptacle so that light shines forward into the receptacle and a hole in the back of the hood so that light shines through the little holes in the ashtray. You can see there is a terminal on the side of the lighter receptacle for the ground wire. The base that holds the bulb slips into the hood.

 

Bill

 

 

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1 hour ago, Craig Balzer said:

Do you mean to tell me these 9x "salt shaker" style apertures are the ones of which you speak??

They are only visible cuz I placed a LED flashlight behind the ash tray

image.jpeg.55711f6b98e2a2ac3b78b8077042ffb8.jpeg

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Here is the view as if sitting in the car

The original 1 candle power bulb simply can't broadcast much light into the ash tray.

image.jpeg.24f1759f86c875979188871f52b81cf5.jpeg

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Now that I have found the holes (Thanx Tom) , I'm still trying to figure out how the affix the lamp  assembly.

The most likely place to attach the lamp is to the spring steel piece that holds the ash tray in place

image.jpeg.0431696114984a6b3e67f5fcaf08b29e.jpeg

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I removed the Flip-Up Ash Tray door assembly to get a better view

image.jpeg.f6e19e95d7e3f945a51f90a46ae33ad8.jpeg

The only attaching point I can see is the spring steel piece

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Here is the ash tray as viewed from behind it

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So -- what am I missing?? Can you take a moment help an old man find a home for that lamp.

 

and, yes Tom - I have a few manuals; they didn't really help in this instance

  • I have the Buick Service Manual 1965 - Chassis 45000. 46000, 48000 and 49000
  • I have the Buick Service Manual 1965 - Body Riviera (in fact, I have two of them - this gettin' old shit is starting to stink)
  • I have the Buick Service Manual 1965 - Headlight Visor Riviera

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Check out Chassis Service Manual 10-140

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2 hours ago, Craig Balzer said:

Do you mean to tell me these 9x "salt shaker" style apertures are the ones of which you speak??

They are only visible cuz I placed a LED flashlight behind the ash tray

image.jpeg.55711f6b98e2a2ac3b78b8077042ffb8.jpeg

/

Here is the view as if sitting in the car

The original 1 candle power bulb simply can't broadcast much light into the ash tray.

image.jpeg.24f1759f86c875979188871f52b81cf5.jpeg

/

Now that I have found the holes (Thanx Tom) , I'm still trying to figure out how the affix the lamp  assembly.

The most likely place to attach the lamp is to the spring steel piece that holds the ash tray in place

image.jpeg.0431696114984a6b3e67f5fcaf08b29e.jpeg

/

/

I removed the Flip-Up Ash Tray door assembly to get a better view

image.jpeg.f6e19e95d7e3f945a51f90a46ae33ad8.jpeg

The only attaching point I can see is the spring steel piece

/

Here is the ash tray as viewed from behind it

image.jpeg.3f0bf3194dc8c36a67c12a4e8e874b7a.jpeg

image.gif.51b76891d1bc40e78c436e8f65bf268b.gif/'

So -- what am I missing?? Can you take a moment help an old man find a home for that lamp.

 

and, yes Tom - I have a few manuals; they didn't really help in this instance

  • I have the Buick Service Manual 1965 - Chassis 45000. 46000, 48000 and 49000
  • I have the Buick Service Manual 1965 - Body Riviera (in fact, I have two of them - this gettin' old shit is starting to stink)
  • I have the Buick Service Manual 1965 - Headlight Visor Riviera

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I believe the picture I have attached is of your lighter receptacle and one of the slots for the tabs of the hood.

 

Bill

 

 

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Holy Moly - Thank You guys so much!

I would NEVER (I mean NEVER) have come up with that solution.

So does this lamp illuminate the ash tray or the cigar lighter? Either way, the lumens can't amount to much

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At this stage (having torn apart the center column of stuff and having discovered this little gem) two of my less endearing qualities jump to the forefront:

  • OCD
  • Anal Retention

And:

  1. I don't smoke
  2. I rarely drive at night (it's bad enough the roads are populated with a$$holes; I don't need an encounter with a drunken/high a$$hole)
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3 hours ago, Craig Balzer said:

Holy Moly - Thank You guys so much!

I would NEVER (I mean NEVER) have come up with that solution.

So does this lamp illuminate the ash tray or the cigar lighter? Either way, the lumens can't amount to much

 

It illuminates both. Look at my earlier post with the pictures of the different parts.

 

Bill

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17 minutes ago, Riviera63 said:

Look at my earlier post with the pictures of the different parts.

Bill

You are absolutely correct. I had 3 or so replies that I read all at once.

In my rush to read at the info, I read yours too quickly.

Sorry

Craig
 

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18 minutes ago, Craig Balzer said:

Bill

You are absolutely correct. I had 3 or so replies that I read all at once.

In my rush to read at the info, I read yours too quickly.

Sorry

Craig
 

Craig,

 

I understand. Not a problem. I was just trying to help you sift through all of the info.

 

Bill

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And the best thing is someone designed it engineered it made it and installed it because sometimes the small things we take for granted today made a point of difference 60 years ago.

fascinating!!!

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On 6/7/2024 at 5:02 PM, gungeey said:

Check out Chassis Service Manual 10-140

Gungeey

 

I searched from 10-72 to 10-94 - thinking the whole time I had explored all the illustrations covering the dash and lamps.

Shoulda known better. (I'm not familiar as I need to be with the chassis manual.)

Going back with new knowledge, I finally found the little bugger of a lamp on 10-77 showing it related to the lighter. I overlooked it initially cuz the ash tray depicted here didn't match the Riviera's. And I was looking for an attaching point on the ash tray - not the lighter. Go figure.

 

Not to beat a dead horse, but I still can't find the referenced lamp on 10-140 (covers the fuse box and instrument cluster)

 

Anyway - thanx again for taking a blind man by the hand and leading him to the solution(s)

 

Craig

Content in Colorado

 

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