Guest Pearville Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Can any of you 64 experts tell me something about this car from the Protecto Plate. Guy has it for sale and says its a KX car. I need more info. on KX cars and how rare they might be. Thanks in advance Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenugent Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Mike check the stampings on the front of the engine block behind the thermostat-number at right should match vin tab-stamping on the left will be kw for standard 425- kx for 425 with 2x4s.T.Nugent roa 12969... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pearville Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Mike check the stampings on the front of the engine block behind the thermostat-number at right should match vin tab-stamping on the left will be kw for standard 425- kx for 425 with 2x4s.T.Nugent roa 12969...I don't have access to the car. It is a two four barrel car. It appears to be a originally black on black KX car. I have seen threads on here where members were saying that these cars are rare and worth putting some time in. This one is a basket case but comes with lots of extra parts. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean1997 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) Kenneth E. Smith 7-6-64709 HorncastleShannelview, Texas 775308685X-463 7K1130683 XN-446 FB 223114747-AA-628-A1-Parker Buick Co.7-6-64 = probably delivery or sale date, based on the serial number and body number, the build date is probably second or third week of March 1964 (03B or 03C on the body tag)Shannelview = Channelview, typo?X-463 = Engine production codeX = KX (2x4 425 Super Wildcat)463 = date code7K1130683 = car serial number7 = Series 4700 (Riviera)K = 19641 = Flint, MI130683 = sequential number, range for Flint was 001001 to 233508X following serial number = build month = March 1964N-446 = transmission codeN = BN (console shifted ST400)446 = date codeFB 22311 = body plant and body numberFB = Flint, MI22311 = 22311th 4747 built out of 37,658 (2,122 with Super Wildcat engine)4747-AA-628-A1-Parker Buick Co.4747 = style number4 = Buick7 = Series 4700 (Riviera)47 = 2-door hardtop sport coupeAA = paint code = solid Regal Black628 = trim code = Optional Black Vinyl with Bucket-Type Front Seats Edited August 1, 2014 by sean1997 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric's.64.Superwildcat Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Perhaps the owner would be willing to take a photo of the engine stampings and Fisher Body plate and email them to you. The Fisher Body plate would confirm the original color combination and give you insight into some (but not all) of the factory options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Kenneth E. Smith 7-6-64709 HorncastleShannelview, Texas 775308685X-463 7K1130683XN-446 FB 223114747-AA-628-A1-Parker Buick Co.7-6-64 = probably delivery or sale date, based on the serial number and body number, the build date is probably second or third week of March 1964 (03B or 03C on the body tag)Shannelview = Channelview, typo?X-463 = Engine production codeX = KX (2x4 425 Super Wildcat)463 = date code7K1130683 = car serial number7 = Series 4700 (Riviera)K = 19641 = Flint, MI130683 = sequential number, range for Flint was 001001 to 233508N-446 = transmission codeN = BN (console shifted ST400)446 = date codeFB 22311 = body plant and body numberFB = Flint, MI22311 = 22311th 4747 built out of 37,658 (2,122 with Super Wildcat engine)4747-AA-628-A1-Parker Buick Co.4747 = style number4 = Buick7 = Series 4700 (Riviera)47 = 2-door hardtop sport coupeAA = paint code = solid Regal Black628 = trim code = Optional Black Vinyl with Bucket-Type Front SeatsNice job Sean! Now, what does the A1 mean after the paint and trim code? Tom Mooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Can any of you 64 experts tell me something about this car from the Protecto Plate. Guy has it for sale and says its a KX car. I need more info. on KX cars and how rare they might be. Thanks in advance Mike[ATTACH=CONFIG]236807[/ATTACH]Mike, Where was this Protecto Plate found? As in where...on the car? Thanks, Tom Mooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean1997 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) I think it is probably an option code, but I'm not familiar with it. A picture of the body tag might clear it up. I've also never seen a POP like this before and the format is a little different from those that I have seen. Also, most sources list the BN trans for use with the 1x4 425, but this car is different. Edited March 2, 2014 by sean1997 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pearville Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Mike, Where was this Protecto Plate found? As in where...on the car? Thanks, Tom MooneyFrom the owner this plate is found on the inner fender well drivers side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pearville Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 The owner is working about 300 miles from home so I can't get a pic of the firewall plate for now. He was told the car was blk on blk, A/C, power windows and vents, vacuum truck release. 2 four barrel engine. I see on the data sheet they only made like 221 of the KX cars in 64. Am I correct in my understanding that the KX car in 64 was the GS equivalent for that year. Jim Cannon said he thought this car would also have a positrac rearend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pearville Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Kenneth E. Smith 7-6-64709 HorncastleShannelview, Texas 775308685X-463 7K1130683XN-446 FB 223114747-AA-628-A1-Parker Buick Co.7-6-64 = probably delivery or sale date, based on the serial number and body number, the build date is probably second or third week of March 1964 (03B or 03C on the body tag)Shannelview = Channelview, typo?X-463 = Engine production codeX = KX (2x4 425 Super Wildcat)463 = date code7K1130683 = car serial number7 = Series 4700 (Riviera)K = 19641 = Flint, MI130683 = sequential number, range for Flint was 001001 to 233508N-446 = transmission codeN = BN (console shifted ST400)446 = date codeFB 22311 = body plant and body numberFB = Flint, MI22311 = 22311th 4747 built out of 37,658 (2,122 with Super Wildcat engine)4747-AA-628-A1-Parker Buick Co.4747 = style number4 = Buick7 = Series 4700 (Riviera)47 = 2-door hardtop sport coupeAA = paint code = solid Regal Black628 = trim code = Optional Black Vinyl with Bucket-Type Front SeatsThank you very much for the time it took you to provide this information. Much appreciated, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 From the owner this plate is found on the inner fender well drivers side.Reason I asked is because I have never seen such a plate? The `64 Owners Protection booklet has a place for the Protecto-Plate in the back of the booklet. Very interesting...I`d like to know more about this particular car. Tom Mooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 The owner is working about 300 miles from home so I can't get a pic of the firewall plate for now. He was told the car was blk on blk, A/C, power windows and vents, vacuum truck release. 2 four barrel engine. I see on the data sheet they only made like 221 of the KX cars in 64. Am I correct in my understanding that the KX car in 64 was the GS equivalent for that year. Jim Cannon said he thought this car would also have a positrac rearend.Most I have seen do have a posi but I have encountered a handful that do not. Depends on the preferences of the original owner. The posi diff was not a part of the dual quad engine option and would need to be ordered separately. Tom Mooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZRIV Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 He was told the car was blk on blk, A/C, power windows and vents, vacuum truck release. 2 four barrel engine. I see on the data sheet they only made like 221 of the KX cars in 64. Am I correct in my understanding that the KX car in 64 was the GS equivalent for that year. Jim Cannon said he thought this car would also have a positrac rearend.Mike - Maybe just a typo but so others aren't confused production for the KX engine Riviera was 2122. While the KX cars are more sought after, they don't muster the same enthusiasm as the 65 GS. Regardless they rank up towards the top of collectible Rivieras. Seems like this car you have found might be a little special. Will be interesting to see how information develops. Just the fact thats it's a factory black KX would raise my antennas if I was looking for one. Thanks for posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivman Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 The owner is working about 300 miles from home so I can't get a pic of the firewall plate for now. He was told the car was blk on blk, A/C, power windows and vents, vacuum truck release. 2 four barrel engine. I see on the data sheet they only made like 221 of the KX cars in 64. Am I correct in my understanding that the KX car in 64 was the GS equivalent for that year. Jim Cannon said he thought this car would also have a positrac rearend.Most I have seen do have a posi but I have encountered a handful that do not. Depends on the preferences of the original owner. The posi diff was not a part of the dual quad engine option and would need to be ordered separately. Tom MooneySounds like a nice find!Tom is once again correct, I have a '65 with the LX engine but it does not have a posi rear end, so in the case of my '65 they ordered the engine but not a posi rear end. Would like to locate one and change it out but it isn't at the top of my list "yet". Hopefully I will get to it sometime?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pearville Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Mike - Maybe just a typo but so others aren't confused production for the KX engine Riviera was 2122. While the KX cars are more sought after, they don't muster the same enthusiasm as the 65 GS. Regardless they rank up towards the top of collectible Rivieras. Seems like this car you have found might be a little special. Will be interesting to see how information develops. Just the fact thats it's a factory black KX would raise my antennas if I was looking for one. Thanks for postingThanks for correcting my number. You have provided the kind of info. I was looking for, is it rare, how rare, and is it worth taking on a basket case restoration? I am posting the CL listing so that members who are interested can talk with the owner. He sounds motivated to sell and is admittedly negotiable on price. I am not in a position to pursue this vehicle. He has many extra parts to go with the car, extra door skins, trunk lid, A/C boxes, heater cores etc. Sounds like many $ worth of parts to me. Mike.http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/4347059319.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Thanks for correcting my number. You have provided the kind of info. I was looking for, is it rare, how rare, and is it worth taking on a basket case restoration? I am posting the CL listing so that members who are interested can talk with the owner. He sounds motivated to sell and is admittedly negotiable on price. I am not in a position to pursue this vehicle. He has many extra parts to go with the car, extra door skins, trunk lid, A/C boxes, heater cores etc. Sounds like many $ worth of parts to me. Mike.http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/4347059319.htmlMike, Didnt notice a pic of the protecto plate in the CL ad? Do you have other pics? I`d like an overall perspective as to where the plate is located. Any other `64 owners have such a plate on their car? Interesting... Tom Mooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pearville Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Mike, Didnt notice a pic of the protecto plate in the CL ad? Do you have other pics? I`d like an overall perspective as to where the plate is located. Any other `64 owners have such a plate on their car? Interesting... Tom MooneyNo, he only sent me a close up of the plate. He said it was inner fender, drivers side. These are the only pics he sent me. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 No, he only sent me a close up of the plate. He said it was inner fender, drivers side. These are the only pics he sent me. MikeThanks Mike, for the extra photos and posting the link. If I wasnt knee deep in project cars this would be a very cool project. Cruise control too!Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rsteere Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Mike,Didnt notice a pic of the protecto plate in the CL ad? Do you have other pics? I`d like an overall perspective as to where the plate is located. Any other `64 owners have such a plate on their car? Interesting...Tom MooneyTom, I checked both of my '64's yesterday and found no such plate under the hood. One of them is a pretty much unmolested KX code. I even checked for rivet holes or broken spot welds.Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Tom, I checked both of my '64's yesterday and found no such plate under the hood. One of them is a pretty much unmolested KX code. I even checked for rivet holes or broken spot welds.RandyThanks for checking Randy. I have never seen this type of plate? Anyone else have this type of plate? Wonder if it was something done by the dealer? Tom Mooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pearville Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Thanks for checking Randy. I have never seen this type of plate? Anyone else have this type of plate? Wonder if it was something done by the dealer? Tom MooneyTom and others, I spoke with the owner again yesterday and found that i was mistaken as to location of the Protecto plate. It is located on the radiator support to the passenger side of center. He has promised to send pics of the plate and also the Fischer plate, so we can learn more about this car. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest clamshells Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Thanks for correcting my number. You have provided the kind of info. I was looking for, is it rare, how rare, and is it worth taking on a basket case restoration? I am posting the CL listing so that members who are interested can talk with the owner. He sounds motivated to sell and is admittedly negotiable on price. I am not in a position to pursue this vehicle. He has many extra parts to go with the car, extra door skins, trunk lid, A/C boxes, heater cores etc. Sounds like many $ worth of parts to me. Mike.http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/4347059319.htmlI've looked at dozens of these "basket cases" and found allot of junk parts ie: beat up trim, missing a left this or a right that and generally big PITA. Take it from a guy that has traveled to see many cars recently, go see the car in person or consider it a roll of the dice to purchase unseen AKA a parts car with only a KX going in its favor. The carbs would be a mojor concern along with straight air cleaner and solid floors front posts, rear window and lower fenders and Q's and trunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pearville Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Owner sent pics of the Fischer tag and the location of the protecto plate. The car is still for sale, he wants at least 3500. I am not interested in taking on another project but some guys seemed interested in the protecto plate location. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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