Guest steve k Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 hi, i'm considering a 1927 stutz. it is a running driving car. fair condition. a somewhat worn intact old car. any comments as to what it is worth. also are there any serious issues with these cars. i've read the 1926 had brake problems.thanks, steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pughs Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Steve,1926 and 1927 Stutzes came with Timken Hydrostatic brakes which used rubber bags filled with water. Almost all Stutzes have been converted to hydraulic brakes. I have a Stutz with "water" brakes and they work just fine, but most people are not willing to go to the expense of restoring them. One of my 1927 Stutzes is a brougham and it is, by far, my favorite car. Steve1925 Stutz sedan1926 Stutz sedan1927 Stutz sedan1926 Stutz limousine1927 Stutz Brougham1929 Blackhawk sedan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Is it this one? As a dealer these guys would have it priced at the top of the market although this looks like a very nice car. Paying more for a nicer example is a good idea as restoration costs will quickly overtake the value of the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steve k Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 yes it is that one. they are a little flexable on price. it is hard to find comparables as, there are very few that come up for sale.steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1Packard Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Guys have you seen the red 27 Brougham on EBAY? Look closely at the photos. The price they are asking is $87,500. Which to me, given the #1 condition, seems like a steal. Out my league, but I'm quite impressed!Other Makes: eBay Motors (item 130416834213 end time Aug-23-10 05:06:36 PDT)Love my Packard, but my next dream car is a Stutz. One other question, was Bearkat a model? I knew the name since boyhood, I always thought it was part of the Stutz Corp. name. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pughs Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Steve,I know this car so talk to me before you buy it. send me a private message with a phone number and I will call you.Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBoyle Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 (edited) One other question, was Bearkat a model? I knew the name since boyhood, I always thought it was part of the Stutz Corp. name. Thanks!Yes, the Bearcat was just a model name...though it was so famous that many people probably thought it was part of the company name.Bearcats were built 1912-24 and again...as "Super Bearcats"...in 1931-33. Edited August 8, 2010 by JohnBoyle (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 Guys have you seen the red 27 Brougham on EBAY? Look closely at the photos. The price they are asking is $87,500. Which to me, given the #1 condition, seems like a steal. Out my league, but I'm quite impressed!Other Makes: eBay Motors (item 130416834213 end time Aug-23-10 05:06:36 PDT)Love my Packard, but my next dream car is a Stutz. One other question, was Bearkat a model? I knew the name since boyhood, I always thought it was part of the Stutz Corp. name. Thanks!87k for this body style, although very nicely done seems high in this market. Although I could easily see the restoration being 100k or more I do not believe that price is attainable. There was a nice older restoration 28 BB LeBaron Roadster that sold not to long ago for around 70k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dylan Walker Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Hey Guys I work at the shop that the Red car is for sale. Any questions I would be more then happy to answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llopdoro Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Hrllo,the gray car which has the same body as the red but not the same finition is for sale at Hyman Ltd, in St Louis, MO HYMAN LTD.It is not so luxuous as the red, red has 2 sidemounts when gray has rear spare and the mohair interior as the paint must be refreshed, it's probably and surely the reason of fair priced at $29.500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I'm personally a fan of rear mounted spares. On a 540k you can add a few hundred thousands dollars if the factory happened to move them to the back of the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llopdoro Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Yes, but a 540K is a different car, different price also. more appreciated being Cabriolet A, Cabriolet B, C, D and the very rare Cabriolet F are appreciated with other views.All Mercedes, Benz, and Mercedes-Benz are beautiful European cars, like other German ones, Horch, Audi, ...Personally I prefer U.S. cars, the europeans prefer to collect U.S. cars (I am Belgian and my familly always had U.S. cars already in 1930) and the U.S. citizens who can do it, are looking for European luxury cars. It is the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zantafio Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Y think the price for the grey body is a good value!The car seem in runing condition and he is not necessary to fit 100 kf dollar for restauration.The original condition for use is also a desirable choose is not it?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott12180 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Couple of things about that '27 Hyman has for sale ---One note that the steering-mounted levers are broken. Those things are pot metal and frequently break off from use, but it suggests that they are swelled to the point where they are immobile --- they don't move. If they were always free they probably wouldn't have broken off. I looked at an all original 1927 once that had the same problem --- those levers broken and the whole insides of the steering swelled tight. Not sure how you would fix that.The other thing to consider on a Stutz Vertical Eight is that they are geared very low. The worm gearing on the rear axle gives them only about a 5:1 ratio, which is very VERY low. To be driveable without the engine screaming means they really need an overdrive. Someone once told me that this together with the overhead valve nature of the engine resulted in a very "busy" engine --- lots of high rpm noise when you are at speed. Gotta ask yourself if you can live with an engine that feels perpetually in second gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Most 1920s cars save Duesenberg and a few others are not modern highways cars without modification. In fact, most 1930s cars need help to cruise along at 65mph consistently. I think it all depends on what you are going to do with it. Cruising around town to local shows would be perfect for this.Btw, if anyone buys it I think I have those steering wheel levers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zantafio Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Y have in this time a Blackhawk in restauration and certainly y run all the days!!When she is finish in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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