gundog99 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I am in the process of fitting new spring shackles pins and bushes to my Dodge Senior.Surprisingly, there seems to be a lot more wear between the old pin and shackle than the old pin and the old bush.I am hoping to get the holes welded and then re drilled. Are the shackles cast or forged and how tight should the pin nuts be, when re fitted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundog99 Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 The type fitted to my car are simular to the right hand side shackle in the picture .What was the third hole in the middle one for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 28SeniorSix Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 gundog99 - Per your request, I attached a picture of the left rear spring shackle on my car. The shackle is 4 13/16" long, 1" wide, and the outside diameter of the mounting eyelets is 1 5/16". The shackles only have the mounting holes on each end (i.e., no third hole). The number stamped on the outside shackle is J18288, and the number on the inside shackle is J18287. These are the same numbers on both the left and right rear springs. These numbers don't agree precisely with the parts manual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 My '24 has the extra hole, and I have no idea why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John1918 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 The hole is for a lock-washer that fits neatly over the nut on the shackle pin to prevent it loosening and is secured in position by a 1/4" bolt & spring washer. The washer acts rather like a ring spanner with a double inside hexagon that gives it finer adjustment and can be turned over for even finer adjustment. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundog99 Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 Do you have a picture of the washer, was used on early Dodge 4's ? How have other Dodge owners had there shackles restored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72caddy Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 This is what I found on my 1919. They were bolted to the shackle but not as described above. So any help from the others on this forum as to how this is supposed to be mounted would be most appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundog99 Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 Thank you for the picture.I had a look in my 1918 parts listit lists a single hexagon washer J 4855 as "Rear spring front bolt lock plate"; the shackles numbers are J 1775 and J 1774, much lower numbers than on my shackles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72caddy Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I should have mentioned that these can off the front of my car...Ihave not checked the rear springs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 The front has the single retainer and the rear has the double retainer.Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72caddy Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 So my 'fronts' are really 'rears'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DBtouring Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 This is what the lock/retainer looks like on my 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72caddy Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Thanks for the photos. It helps.However, my double hex plates are way to short for the rear shackles on my 1919. So they have to be for the front.Mine were bolted (incorrectly) at the rear front shackle, not the front.I take it all shackle points should have these? My rear bolts were loose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundog99 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 There are two hex plates listed for the rear springs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72caddy Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Turns out the frame out back had both front and rear lock plates for the rear suspension (photo below).The single hex goes on the forward shackle mount. You can see it behind the grease cap in one of the photos.My rear shackles are about a inch / inch and a half taller than the fronts, Note how there is a cast boss on the shackle but no hole. I am guessing these are not proper for 1919 (but they will have to do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Your nuts are incorrect. I can see the comments on this statement.Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72caddy Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I was laughing as I read it. I have swapped out the incorrect nuts for proper nuts, but I still ahve the issue that I cannot get a lock ring on these shackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundog99 Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 The lock rings, combined with split pins, look such a good idea, both the shackles are locked making a solid unite; with out the ring, the shackle on the bolt side is able to move independently, even with a small amount of wear.Was cost cutting the reason Dodge stopped fitting them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John1918 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I have just gotten over to where my '25 sedan is parked and took a few photos, not very good but it will give some idea of how the locking things fit on. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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