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A beaut! Love it.
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Beautiful! Congrats.
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Awesome. The Kissel Speedster is definitely one of my "bucket list" cars that I hope to own someday. Great to see this kind of gathering.
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12 hours ago, TAKerry said:
I know there may be some that will argue, but I can see a rusted quarter panel being replaced, and a new floor pan. BUT, IF this car is "rebuilt" how much will really be there? ALMOST NIL. I am sure someone will spend several kings ransomes on this and it will be sold at an auction some day for stupid money, but it will be a re-creation, not a restoration.
The Ship of Theseus question.
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I always enjoy reading how classic car auction descriptions acknowledge problems with a car's condition. This one may be a new favorite: "There is no denying that 0406 MD will require a comprehensive restoration to return the car to the condition of its glory days."
Yeah, I would think so:
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4 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:
Baseball cards became a fad in the late 1980's and early 1990's,
then the demand fell off sharply. That's why those 1980's baseball
cards remain: Great quantities, little demand.
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Pretty much no car was "pc" by modern standards if we include the advertising, as the advertisers of their day were appealing to particular subsets of the public that had money and the ability to spend it on a car. An example that comes to mind is this copy from a 1935 Packard Twelve advertisement. Hard to imagine an appeal today to old money WASP culture...
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Super cool, thanks for posting. And thanks for keeping our collective memory of these interesting cars alive.
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Look on the bright side: They only made the sharp 2-seater for 3 years, but you can still buy them today pretty cheaply and enjoy the three-years-only styling.
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I did a reverse image search for similar images to it, and here it is: It's a Mina Gallery aftermarket item, apparently a company that makes aftermarket custom things for Jaguars.
https://www.amazon.com/Mina-Gallery-Emblem-Jaguar-X-Type/dp/B001F7OSUA
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9 hours ago, sagefinds said:
I want to thank everyone that contributed to my post and all the good comments,sugestions and stories. There was a time when I had to have every part of every pre 32 Cadillac that was ever parted out. When the new Hemmings came,that was my required reading for the day. If I called on an ad of something I wanted the minute I saw it,if the line was busy it was Mel Patterson in Howell Mich getting it,if his call was busy,it would be me getting it. Then we might get together later and do some horse trading. I trucked back to his place more than once,when he came out to Denver to pick up a V-16 engine,I met him down there and got everything he brought out for me. Plus my hobby helped pay for itself with the Wanted Ads in Hemmings I could answer. Too bad the scammers have totally taken over that market now. The good news is that a researcher on prewar cars may want all my back issues so they may end up into a good home for now. Thanks again,Steve G. Cheyenne
Is there a replacement for the pre-Internet feeling of excitement of when Hemmings arrived, and you had to very quickly scan the key sections to see if there was something of interest that you had to call about right away? Maybe if you have en eBay alert for a description of a particular part? Or the last few minutes of an auction on BAT or elsewhere?
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Steve, thanks for all you do for the club, and for the forum, too. It sounds like a lot of hard work, and we appreciate it.
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If you read Beverly Rae Kimes's book, "Pioneers, Engineers, And Scoundrels: The Dawn Of The Automobile In America," on the early automotive industry, one of the themes is how many companies came and went. I take it some of that is bound to happen with the shift to EVs: It's a new market and lots of companies are vying for a big piece of the electric pie. Not all will succeed. It's inevitable.
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In breaking news, time is passing and people don't live forever.
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33 minutes ago, alsancle said:
when celebrity ownership is alleged, I want to see a picture of the celebrity sitting on the hood like slim Pickens in “Dr. Strangelove“ holding a copy of the title. Otherwise I just don’t believe it.
I do remember that, when RM sold the Twin Six often referred to as the Gable car, they were cautious about the Gable ownership history: "Long regarded as the Clark Gable Twin Six . . . .Originally dispatched to Los Angeles, it was sold new on November 14, 1932, by the famous distributor there, Earle C. Anthony, Inc., long the largest-volume dealer of new Packards in the world, with Mr. Gable believed to be the original owner. Gable was photographed in the early 1930s with his Twin Six Coupe Roadster, which had been accessorized with wheel discs, Pilot-Ray driving lights (made in Los Angeles), and a rear-mounted trunk, all of which are present in the famous publicity photograph. It is believed that Gable sold the car in 1934 to make way for a new 1106 Twelve Runabout Speedster, which would receive similar Bohman & Schwartz touches."
Anyway, 2016 ad for it was here:
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I'm getting new tires shortly, and I may try to have them balanced with the covers on. But the valve extension is very light; I'd be a little bit surprised if it throws things off balance.
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I had a prior thread asking for advice on how to mount wheel discs on a 1935 Packard senior car. I was able to figure it a way to do it, with some help from @alsancle, so I figured I would delete the old thread asking for help and instead write up the answer so others can benefit from what I learned. I don't know if this is exactly the way it was done originally, and this is from new hardware, so consider this the "looks good and works" approach rather than the "Pebble Beach authentic" approach.
Ok, here's what to do, for each wheel:
1. Get valve stem extension Napa part NTH 90330: https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NTH90330.
2. Get a 5/16" Fender Washer with a 1-1/4" Outside Diameter. I liked the look of stainless, like this:
3. Get a 5/16" rubber fender washer of roughly 1 in or more outside diameter (exact outside diameter doesn't matter).
4. Get a 5/16" external tooth washer.
5. Take the valve stem extension and remove the nut and the big clamp. Toss the clamp, you don't need it. Now put the external tooth washer and the rubber washer on. Then insert the end of the valve stem extension on the inside of the wheel disc through the hole. On the other side, the outside, put the fender washer on and then the nut. At this stage, the valve extension is connected to the wheel disc. It will look like this on the outside:
And it will look like this on the inside:
To mount them, start by attaching the valve stem:
Then fit the wheel discs on by lining up the nubs with the wholes, pressing them on, and pushing the three hinged connectors on.
Finally, put on your hubcap, which now connects to the wheel disc. Note that, if you have reproduction hubcaps, they may be a little bit too deep to initially fit on to the wheel disks. The clips that seal the wheel disc to the wheel stick out a bit, and the hubcap won't go all the way on. To fix this, just take a pair of pliers and gently taper in the deepest part of the hubcaps in the parts that don't have the semi-circular extenders that connect the wheel disc to the wheel. That way, the hubcaps will go on easily, inside the clips.
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Ed, so so so sorry. That is horrible. Hang in there.
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12 hours ago, mechanician said:
Part of the answer is likely maintenance. For some, including myself, making parts is part of the fun. Many others are uninterested or unable to do so on their own. Maintaining any let’s arbitrarily say 1910 (non-Ford) car with near zero parts availability is roughly equivalent, at least to the same order of magnitude, so the money follows the more prestige marques. The engine rebuild may cost more than the car. If you have the means and interest to pay that for a mid price 30 hp car, then you likely have the means to buy a Pope Hartford, pierce, etc, etc and fund the same work. It makes 25-40hp non-prestige models available for the enthusiasts that are owner maintained. As the price of labor has increased and the number of qualified hands has gone down the difference has become more pronounced, and it feeds on itself, the more expensive the work, the lower the vehicle price and the lower the vehicle price the fewer the owners who will pay for the work
Very helpful. Yes, when maintenance costs are so high that purchase price is only a start, you can see some very low purchase prices...
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On 4/23/2023 at 8:42 AM, edinmass said:
That car belongs to a member here, and his mother is sitting in the rumble seat. She lives near me in Florida. I think the car got in the family just before or just after the war, Orin, please comment.
I have it on good authority that the pictured car is about to be taken out for a ride. Not to a lake, though.
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Given our occasional threads such as this one on how rumble seats were eliminated in the 1930s, I thought I might post about this 1945 legal case, Larson v. General Motors, that has some history on the switch away from rumble seats.
The story: Louis Larson sued General Motors claiming that in 1934 he had provided GM with a plan for how to design a coupe with two interior rear seats without needing to lengthen the body, by expanding the roof and widening the doors and adding folding opera seats, which would enable the elimination of the rumble seat. GM later built such cars, and Larson claimed it used his design, but never paid him for his idea.
GM responded that GM already had the idea before 1934 and that the idea wasn't novel around then anyway. In 1930, Derham had made coupes of that style, GM said, and patents and publications discussed the idea going back to 1928. So it didn't need to pay Larson.
At trial, a GM engineer testified for GM that GM also had the design in 1933, before Larson: "A convertible coupe for an 8-cylinder, a 12-cylinder and a 16-cylinder Cadillac was designed and a coupe was constructed at that unit having opera and auxiliary seats, and no rumble, between May and October 1933. Its middle seats were hinged to the side walls and folded back and its doors were wider than in former coupes so as to give access to the opera seats and the roofs were made longer so as to give more head room. Another witness for GM testified that "he saw a Cadillac convertible coupe having a rumble seat and two opera seats, hinged either to the side or to the back of the car, at a dealers' show in Detroit in December 1933."
The jury ruled for GM, agreeing that the idea had been around in 1928, that Derham had made coupes with this design in 1930, and that GM had the design in 1933. The court of appeals upheld the jury's verdict.
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This is not legal advice — if it were, it would be followed by a bill — but my understanding is that (1) if you sell the car for more than you paid, you will have capital gains that the law requires you to report (and pay up to a 20% payment on the difference, depending on your income level); (2) I suppose a seller could refuse to sell you the car unless you fill out a form, but they don't have any independent legal authority to make you fill out a form afterwards, and (3) a 1099 form is about income, not gains, so it's not the appropriate form anyway.
As for the view that you don't have to follow the tax laws, well, that's not the law, as you might guess.
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The "try-me service station" seems to have been in Dundalk, MD, and the family is still in the local car business.
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Dang. Sorry to hear that.