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I believe I have those.
Paul
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Crank sensor?
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What you have is a very early build sheet, or broadcast sheet.
I don't think I can help with the first two lines...
3611 would be the model code for an 88 2-door sedan. A Super 88 would have a D behind it. That being said, MAYBE B88 stands for Base 88. Who knows?
362 is probably the interior trim code. I don't have that info in front of me at the moment.
L and K1 are option codes. I don't have that info in front of me, either, but I'm guessing that L is power brakes and K1 is foam seat cushions.
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Isn't the diesel color similar to the '66/'67 Toronado? Slate Blue, they call it, or something.
Paul
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I think the "Spring Special" thing is a myth. Olds offered Saffron paint, upholstery and convertible tops all year long. They may have advertised them heavily in the spring, but the combination was available all year, on 98s, 88s and Cutlass models.
Paul
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Thanks.
What I am still trying to figure out is the 3-on-floor. Factory issue? Or no?
Paul
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Did the cable break (motor keeps running)? Or did the motor quit?
Paul
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I don't know to whom that car belongs. If you do a Google search for 1933 Oldsmobile, and then click the "images" link, you'll get more photos of this car and some others that appear to have the same bumper guards. It may even lead you to who the owner of this car is.
I found a picture of Fred's coupe and it doesn't have bumper guards.
I am not suprised that the brochure doesn't show them. Back in that era they didn't show a lot of accessory equipment on the cars in the brochures. There were usually separate accessory brochures for that. I haven't been able to find one of those. None of the Oldses in the factory photos show the guards. Not even the Indy Pace Car.
Paul
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Below is a photo of my father and I, and his '61 Impala Super Sport convertible. It was taken on Easter Sunday, 1969. Dad bought the car late in '68 or early in '69 at a car auction in Manheim, PA. He paid $300 for it. They wanted $450. It was a 348 with 3-2s.
Anyway, dad has always talked about this SS and how we should have kept it. We moved and only needed one car. My mother couldn't drive the stick shift, so they kept her '61 Olds and the SS was sold, again in Manheim, PA. I think it was sold for $200.
He was telling our barber about it a few weeks ago and he mentioned that it was a 3-speed. I thought that was odd. Then, I found a Super Sport brochure online that said that all the '61 Super Sports were 4-speeds (except the 305 horse, which could also be had with the heavy duty PowerGlide).
But this 3-speed was on the floor. The sales brochure I have mentions a line-wide standard 3-speed. It also mentions the available 4-speed, making a big deal about the fact that it was floor shifted (with the assumption that the 3-speed wasn't). I saw nothing about an optional floor shifter for the 3-speed.
We're pretty sure the car wasn't a clone. Who would have thought to do that in '68? I've read where some dealers added the SS gingerbread to regular Impalas, and I thought it might be one of those. Dad thinks maybe someone blew up the 4-speed and couldn't get one to replace it, so they replaced it with a 3-speed.
So, I guess my question is - does anyone know if you could get a factory 3-speed on the floor in a '61 Chevy?
Paul
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I believe the 88 and 98 front clips will interchange. The 98 had a longer wheelbase, but I believe all the length was ahead of the rear axle.
However; 88s and 98 have different fenders. 88s have a squared off wheel opening, while 98s have a teardrop shaped wheel opening, to match the 1/4 panels on coupes and convertibles.
Paul
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I would start running wanted ads in Olds club publications and Hemmings. I found a hard to get part for my Starfire that way.
Paul
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I'm kind of amazed that Chevrolet only offered convertible tops in black and white in '61. Oldsmobile had tops in light blue, mint green, beige and red, in addition to black and white. It's no secret that an Impala is the same body as in Olds 88. The tops should interchange. You'd think they would have offered more colors. I've seen white cars with red convertible tops in the past and I think they look sharp. I had a '62 Starfire convertible that I put a red top on. The car was red metallic at the time, but was coded for white. I never got around to painting it white.
Paul
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How 'bout this from the '64 Olds brochure...
The Starfire convertible - it has window cranks on the doors AND power windows switches (even for the ventipanes) on the console.
Paul
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I've got my "Roto Hydra-Matic Principles of Operation" book out today for a totally unrelated reason. One of the techs here at work started reading it aloud...
"The Roto Hydra-Matic transmission is a fully automatic transmission, with three gear speeds plus a torque multiplying fluid coupling, which give the equivalent ratio coverage of a four speed transmission, but with only two gear ratio changes."
So sayeth the Service Department at Detroit Transmission Division of General Motors Corporation, January 1962.
Paul
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I had a '68 Delta that used to do the same thing. They found a bad ground wire in the harness in the trunk.
Paul
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It is the center emblem for a non-wire wheel cover. Fits '80 - '84 Delta, Custom Cruiser and 98.
Paul
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Hydra-Matic... with Accel-A-Rotor Action in '61
They called it 4-S Hydra-Matic in '62. This is I think where alot of people get confused, thinking it is a 4-speed transmission. I believe 4-S stands for 4-stage. I believe it also was intended to harken back to Super Hydra-Matic.
In '63 and '64 they reverted back to Hydra-Matic. No mention of Accel-A-Rotor in '63, but it returned in '64.
Paul
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I know why Liz is looking for the latest R2R...
It mailed the middle of last week. Bulk mail is slow during the period preceeding Christmas. Too many other deliveries take priority.
Paul
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>Style No 39-3511
39=1939, 3=Oldsmobile, 5=Series 60, 11=2-door sedan
>Body No 6299
6,299th Series 60 2-door sedan body built
>Trim 3
can't help with that
>Paint No 28
Battleship Gray Poly (metallic)
Paul
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How do we know it was pulled, and not just painted in the car? In the enlarged picture, I think I see overspray on the firewall...
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I saw previously your reference to this car being a standard model. I would not consider it a standard model. It is a Super 88. If you look at the data plate on the firewall, the model number should be 51-3669D. The D denote DeLuxe, which means Super 88. '51 was the first year for this new "B" body. The model below this one was the 88, what I would consider the standard model. It was only available early in the year. It used the old "A" body that the '50 88s used. I think they had a bunch of bodies left over that they wanted to use up. They were only available as 2-door and 4-door sedans. Some people refer to these as '51 88-As. It is hard to them apart from a '50. The 88-A was available in standard or DeLuxe trim. For '52, a new DeLuxe 88 came out below the Super 88. It used the Super 88's "B" body, but, in spite of the DeLuxe name, was a standard trimmed car. My grandparents had one of those.
Also, in '51, Oldsmobile only offered gray upholstery in sedan models. Dashboards were painted a two tone light and dark gray metallic. Holiday coupes got gray cloth with leather bolsters in a choice blue, green, red or black. Convertibles had full leather upholstery in the same 4 colors.
Reference has been made to the carpeting. Super 88's and 98s came with carpet simulated rubber front and rear. Gray in sedans, matched to the leather in Holidays and convertibles. I saw no mention of carpeting as an option. I find this hard to believe, as I had a '52 98 and it has carpeting, but '52 must have been the first year for it. I find that odd. 88-As came with a ribbed rubber mat in the front, carpet simulated rubber in the rear. Gray, naturally.
The mirrors are not correct for this car. They would have mounted at the beltline, like they do today. It would have been a round mirror, the base would have had a teardrop shape. Fusick may have reproductions of these. There was also an accessory adjustable spotlight with a mirror attached - the earliest remote mirror. That would have mounted through the windshield pillar at the beltline.
I've never changed a car from 6 to 12 volt, and I've never changed one back. But I know that '52 that I had was still 6 volt and it started fine.
The electric fuel pump is not original. It was probably added to help eliminate vapor lock. Or, the original pump failed altogether and they decided to just bypass it. The mechanical pump mounts in the front cover near the water pump. They are available and dependable. It is a dual action pump, meaning it will also provide vacuum for the windshield wipers. You may want to keep the electric pump, but reinstall it closer to the tank. Put it on a toggle switch and use it to provide fuel when you want to start her after she's been sitting a while. Or if she developes vapor lock while driving.
My final suggestion is to join the NAOC. Link below in my signature line.
Paul
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Those '61 Impala armrests are not the same as Olds used in the Starfire and 98s. They look similar, but they are different. For '62, Chevy switched over to the D88 style armrests.
Paul
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Just confirming what I wrote earlier...
362 is the trim code for green vinyl and green/white pattern cloth that was used in 88 2 and 4 door sedans.
L is the option code for Power Brakes.
K1 is the option code for foam rubber seat cushions.
23440 could be a dealer code, signifying where the car was to be delivered. 23 would be the zone, 440 would be the dealer. Or, it could be something else.
227 could be an order number, but it seems awfully short for that.
Paul