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Agreed.

Actually, Steve, don't tell them your age or they may not serve you at events.

I'm not an expert on late 30s Packard by any means but I've felt that the recent surge in 120 prices had as much to do with styling as anything else. The conv coupe may be the best looking factory body Packard sold in the late 30s.

I think the club still has over 5k members and close to 6k. The 1948 cut off is arbitrary but moving to another later and just as arbitrary date to let in the very few cars that may qualify would be worse. 6 months later a different group would be saying, why is the cut off 1954 when such an such a car from 1956 is just as qualified. Eventually you would have a club that stands for nothing.

Somebody older than me can probably give the history with more precision but I think it was all about the Cadillacs. Nice cars but not exactly what you think of when you consider the Classic era. Once the 41/42 were in, the 46-48 are identical, hence the continuation after the war for any car that was admitted prior. By 1949 everybody had something new.

I'm not sure anyone here is defending 1948 as I agree with Steve that it should be 1939, but I could see 1942 because it's clean cutoff at WWII. 1948 makes no sense.

40 years ago everyone in the club was over 60 (with a few exceptions) and it's still that way.

The logic of what is included and what is not is not full proof. I would bring either the marmon or the auburn to a grand classic. Of course I would put them in for exhibition and not judging. They would get plenty of attention if that is your concern.

This argument/discussion repeats itself every 6 months. The biggest mistake the club ever made was going past 1942. It opened up a can of worms.

You can buy this car today for 7500. Spend a few bucks to get it running and you can drive right on to a Grand Classic show field. Explain to me how that is exclusionary? Not to pick on you Barry because your attitude is common, but there is a kind of reverse snobbery thing that goes on against the CCCA.

You should join the CCCA if only to get the publications which are fantastic. Btw, I'm a member of about 12 clubs including the Nash, REO, Marmon, Hupp clubs, plus a few other for which I own no cars.

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Pictures please!

There is no way this car would be rebodied these days. The upholstery is not original.

Very well put. Also, there isn't a single blue chip collectable car of any era who's appreciation over the last decade didn't blow away inflation.

I'm interested to know if you only feel the 30s era will experience this decline or will it be across all collector car markets. If only the 30s what factors are peculiar to the segment?

Is this the green sedan that gullwing has been advertising?

I'm going to guess it's got something to do with the magnetos but I'm not sure.

I think you bring your car to a show that is appropriate for the car. If you will have the only prewar car at a meet, you probably won't go. Full classics tend to end up at CCCA events and Concours. Also, as a general comment, musclecars (of which I have owned a bunch and still own a couple) and other mass produced cars may seem to be very popular in that the are more prevalent, hence seen more. They operate under the same market dynamics as the prewars. Only a small percentage really bring big money and they have taken a bigger hit in the last few years than the prewar Classics. I've been listening to the "Prewar collectors are dying and so is the interest in prewar cars" argument for 30 years and I just think it's bs.

For sale at auction. 500k Cab C. Chassis Number: 123741 Engine Number: 113623 Cc: 5016 Body Colour: Black Trim Colour: Grey

I actually prefer the look of a club sedan over a touring, or maybe phaeton. I do like dual cowls. There is too much open space in a touring and usually the roof sits high when up. On the air cond/ power steering/ power brakes. If I need to ride in luxury I'll use a late model car. That's not really the point of a collector car. I look at them as functional artwork (hence my predilection for 30s classics.) Personally, I get joy from simply looking at them, hearing the engine run. Sure it's fun driving too, but I don't necessarily need to drive my cars 1000 miles a year to justify in my mind having them. Justifying them requires mental gymnastics no matter what anyways (and the same is true for a hot rod with air & power everything). Dave, I didn't know you owned a V16, could you post some pictures.

Publications are worthless unless the granularity of value you are looking for is between a Duesenberg and a beetle. Take a bunch of pictures and post them on the lincoln forum. The responses you get will be ten timed more accurate than a price guide.

So how do you account for the popularity of brass era vehicles? Most of them couldn't hit 70mph if you dropped them out of a plane. And most/many of the parts have to be fabricated. This whole argument is nothing new. Ultimately when there is a market for a 73 Gremlin there will always be someone who wants that Packard. Will the values fluctuate? - Sure. But I laugh when people talk about generations dying off leaving nobody to care for that 32 Deitrich.

This was at Pebble Beach this year. Second version of the 540k Special Roadster. Unrestored I believe. Formerly owned by Dr. Bitgood in CT for many years. Axle Shuette had it for sale 6 or 7 years ago in Germany.

The interior is wild.