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  1. Thanks Polara- I knew they have the Glidden in their lobby in a case, saw it when we went their on the '02 Glidden in Daytona Beach. I did not know they may have others and will check. Thanks, Bill
  2. Bob- I have not gotten that far in the search yet. Would be interesting to know what qualified as a runabout, what makes of runabouts were entered and who won. This is rarely discussed it seems. Thank you responding. Paul- In the original series it was a true competition to prove what brand was most reliable and to prove the overall reliability of this new mode of transportation. The companies backed teams in their cars and used the results for promotion and sales. In the Revival Gliddens it is not as competitive and more social touring. I do not know where or when the current criteria for the Glidden trophy was established. I know you have done a lot of touring and now it is not about finishing the day first but finishing the day which is in the original spirit of proving reliability. It's just more friendly now thats all, not really trying to prove anything. Thank you too for the response. Still interested in any leads or info on this award, Bill
  3. I am not sure if this is the right area to start this thread but do not see a better one. I am doing some research on the original Glidden tours held from 1096-1913. I have learned there was another trophy awarded from at least 1907 to 1912 that was called the Hower trophy. Frank Hower was the AAA vice president of competition in the era and started the trophy as a prize for runabouts in the Glidden. He thought the small cars were not getting enough attention with the bigger factory supported cars always winning the Glidden Trophy so he came up with this new prize. It was given away each year as a permanent trophy meaning the winner got to keep it and a new one was made for the following year. In 1907 it was a shield shaped plaque, in 1908 it went back to a 'loving cup' with three handles on a base. That one went home to a car dealership on Broadway in NYC to my understanding. Does anyone know the location or history of any version of this trophy ? I know some people collect trophies or have a few on display in their car barn and would like to know any information that might be out there on their history. Thank you for any help, Bill
  4. A clever friend of mine made a motorized jig just for this purpose. He took a small electric motor and coupled it to a gear reduction box he had which coupled to a shaft (or axle, I don't remember). This all mounted on a board you clamped to a sawhorse. It turned the wheel at 2 rpm, just right for painting! You could only do one wheel at a time but it worked very well for the purpose.
  5. Hey Dave Fields, do you ever have too many cars??!! I like to think I have just enough to tour with various car age groups. Maybe you can give her one? Or maybe Xander can give her a present she would never forget and make a friend in the process! ? I did check the list of AACA regions and there are a number of them in her home area. I am looking in other clubs I belong to also. As for wrenching I am not sure of how in to that she wants to get but I do think she would like to help with some cars doing cleaning, waxing, etc. to start then work up to mechanics. She has never done anything like wrenching that I know of so it might be her youthful enthusiasm talking a little bit. Thanks for all the ideas, this group is a lot of good people and fun,
  6. Thanks again for the ideas. John_S please don't be offended but she is my granddaughter so I will always worry a little, especially if she has trouble with a situation I helped her get into. Having said that I do feel most all folks I have known in this hobby over the past almost forty years have been good, honest people. Terry, maybe we can talk about this when you come up for the tour in August. Having been in AACA for a long time I have run and been on many day and weekend events for a couple of regions I am in and those may keep her interest going. But she surprised me when she said she wants to learn more about the cars and work on them. She can be a determined girl so she may make it all happen with a little help and prodding from Grandpa! As for the 'stable' comment Todd, I am not sure any of us are really sane- just big kids who never quite grew up just got bigger toys...
  7. Thank you for the ideas, I like the membership ideas. She is not focused on the Model A, just her favorite car from my group but seems to really like the pre-war iron. Probably my fault too! She is in the upper Midwest where I have not roamed much. The club environment is probably much safer than one on one for a young lady and she can pick and choose who she becomes friends based on the person, their cars etc. And I know you get lifelong friends in this hobby! I am, and her grandmother was too, an avid touring fan, rarely doing car shows anymore. I have hosted/ helped on a number of national tours as well for various clubs. Being only 20 and just starting her working life she is not in a good place to tour due to time and expense. It may happen though since really enjoys rides when she is here. I will talk to her about all of this info soon, thank you all-
  8. I got to spend yesterday with my 20 YO granddaughter which was delightful, just like the old times with a ride in the yellow ice cream car. That is what the kids called the A when they were little and it is great they remember those things! She asked and we went for an extended Model A ride (yes, with an ice cream stop) where she talked about liking the old iron and wanting to get into old cars more. She says she wants to learn more, help with the cars and maybe even turn wrenches a little. My problem is she lives well out of state and does not get here often. She tried to search online but the only lead she got was a Model A guy four hours away and a stranger to her. What ideas do you have for connecting her with someone local to her area. Obviously I do not want to put her in any kind of danger but I know there are many really good car people out there and maybe you want to be a mentor to a young one and get some help with your collection as well. Still I am nervous about doing this and not sure if/how to proceed. I love that she wants to get in the hobby more and want to encourage her as we should do with any young people who want to participate. Any thoughts on how I can do this safely? I will be talking to friends but I do not think I know many folks in her area.
  9. They were more expensive and a little heavier car. I feel my L was competitive to a smaller Buick in 31 at 90HP, 118" WB and nicer interiors and it was their smallest eight offering then. I know Hupps were at a similar price point to the Buicks too. In 29 they were the fifth best in sales at 60,000 but that halved in '30 and halved again to 15K in '31 so they barely survived the Depression and never really came all the way back to 1929 prominence.
  10. Thanks for all the replies. I was talking to a fellow Hupp'er last night and he said his '28 M had running boards constructed as Keiser 31 described right down to the lock in tabs on the steel backer. He did say his were polished originally and the repros he got are polished. My guess is that they did not change build methods too quickly in the Depression and mine are similar. I will try to polish them some more tomorrow. Again thanks to all for the input!!
  11. OK here are some pictures of the trim on the 31 Hupp. This is the front edge driver's side. Inner and outer trim are flat gray, front edge is looking like polished aluminum will be the end result. . This is the driver's side rear edge, notice how rear piece shined up real easy to a chrome like finish. With the fine sw and polish there is some sheen starting on the outer piece, not sure if I am removing the plating or cutting thru the oxidation at this point. This the passenger side I have not touched yet. A closer view of the driver's side to show details in piece
  12. Thanks for the further explanation Keiser. I hadn't thought of that and have not had it off the car to see if that is the construction. If true then all the flat gray is oxidation and could/should come off right? This car is mostly an original survivor so it could be 80+ years of patina, a polite term for a lot of work coming up!
  13. I do not think they are aluminum since they stuck to a magnet quite well. That is the reason I asked the question as my first reaction was Al as well. Did anyone use anything else?
  14. I was cleaning my 1931 Hupp L sedan today as I ready it for a tour next week. I decided to clean up the running boards and I am not sure what the finish is on the trim pieces. It is a dull gray over a steel piece on three sides. The piece by the rear fender cleaned up to a shiny finish different from the rest but also on steel. Could the flat gray be a zinc plate or maybe a cadmium plate for weather resistance? It is not a mottled finish like galvanizing gives but a uniform flat gray look. I believe it to be a plating as OOOO steel wool created a small bit of very fine powder removal when used and rubbing too far created shiny spots like bare steel. I will try to add pictures tomorrow. Just one of those little things I have never seen discussed here. I have always thought/ observed most trim was polished aluminum or SST. With the vast knowledge base here is there any history on what was used in the early thirties? Thanks for any and all knowledge,
  15. My father survived WWII as a AAF B-17 navigator in the European theater and I really respect that generation. What they did, saw, created, invented, built and lived through starting as babies/ kids in the Great Depression truly makes them the greatest generation. Our country would not be what it is without all they did in war and peace. As a proud native and resident of Waterloo, NY the federally recognized birthplace of Memorial day where Gen John Logan started Decoration Day in 1866 I understand the meaning of Memorial Day as well as most. We honor all those who perished in all wars the USA has fought in or is still fighting. For Waterloo this is not a furniture sale day and is still held on May 30, the original date. My flags are flying high and proud today! Please take a minute and reflect on those who gave it all so we can live the life we have today, including our great hobby.