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  1. Mark, Come to the 75th Revival Glidden in September (13-18) 2020 and preview the area for a whole week! It's a very pretty area with lots to do!
  2. Hi all, been a while since my 38 has been on the road and need some info please. Where can I get a list of all the fluids- spec and quantity- so I can change them all before I run it again? I have a shop manual somewhere but can't find it. Thank you,
  3. Thanks Polara- I knew they have the Glidden in their lobby in a case, saw it when we went their on the '02 Glidden in Daytona Beach. I did not know they may have others and will check. Thanks, Bill
  4. Bob- I have not gotten that far in the search yet. Would be interesting to know what qualified as a runabout, what makes of runabouts were entered and who won. This is rarely discussed it seems. Thank you responding. Paul- In the original series it was a true competition to prove what brand was most reliable and to prove the overall reliability of this new mode of transportation. The companies backed teams in their cars and used the results for promotion and sales. In the Revival Gliddens it is not as competitive and more social touring. I do not know where or when the current criteria for the Glidden trophy was established. I know you have done a lot of touring and now it is not about finishing the day first but finishing the day which is in the original spirit of proving reliability. It's just more friendly now thats all, not really trying to prove anything. Thank you too for the response. Still interested in any leads or info on this award, Bill
  5. I am not sure if this is the right area to start this thread but do not see a better one. I am doing some research on the original Glidden tours held from 1096-1913. I have learned there was another trophy awarded from at least 1907 to 1912 that was called the Hower trophy. Frank Hower was the AAA vice president of competition in the era and started the trophy as a prize for runabouts in the Glidden. He thought the small cars were not getting enough attention with the bigger factory supported cars always winning the Glidden Trophy so he came up with this new prize. It was given away each year as a permanent trophy meaning the winner got to keep it and a new one was made for the following year. In 1907 it was a shield shaped plaque, in 1908 it went back to a 'loving cup' with three handles on a base. That one went home to a car dealership on Broadway in NYC to my understanding. Does anyone know the location or history of any version of this trophy ? I know some people collect trophies or have a few on display in their car barn and would like to know any information that might be out there on their history. Thank you for any help, Bill
  6. A clever friend of mine made a motorized jig just for this purpose. He took a small electric motor and coupled it to a gear reduction box he had which coupled to a shaft (or axle, I don't remember). This all mounted on a board you clamped to a sawhorse. It turned the wheel at 2 rpm, just right for painting! You could only do one wheel at a time but it worked very well for the purpose.
  7. Hey Dave Fields, do you ever have too many cars??!! I like to think I have just enough to tour with various car age groups. Maybe you can give her one? Or maybe Xander can give her a present she would never forget and make a friend in the process! ? I did check the list of AACA regions and there are a number of them in her home area. I am looking in other clubs I belong to also. As for wrenching I am not sure of how in to that she wants to get but I do think she would like to help with some cars doing cleaning, waxing, etc. to start then work up to mechanics. She has never done anything like wrenching that I know of so it might be her youthful enthusiasm talking a little bit. Thanks for all the ideas, this group is a lot of good people and fun,
  8. Thanks again for the ideas. John_S please don't be offended but she is my granddaughter so I will always worry a little, especially if she has trouble with a situation I helped her get into. Having said that I do feel most all folks I have known in this hobby over the past almost forty years have been good, honest people. Terry, maybe we can talk about this when you come up for the tour in August. Having been in AACA for a long time I have run and been on many day and weekend events for a couple of regions I am in and those may keep her interest going. But she surprised me when she said she wants to learn more about the cars and work on them. She can be a determined girl so she may make it all happen with a little help and prodding from Grandpa! As for the 'stable' comment Todd, I am not sure any of us are really sane- just big kids who never quite grew up just got bigger toys...
  9. Thank you for the ideas, I like the membership ideas. She is not focused on the Model A, just her favorite car from my group but seems to really like the pre-war iron. Probably my fault too! She is in the upper Midwest where I have not roamed much. The club environment is probably much safer than one on one for a young lady and she can pick and choose who she becomes friends based on the person, their cars etc. And I know you get lifelong friends in this hobby! I am, and her grandmother was too, an avid touring fan, rarely doing car shows anymore. I have hosted/ helped on a number of national tours as well for various clubs. Being only 20 and just starting her working life she is not in a good place to tour due to time and expense. It may happen though since really enjoys rides when she is here. I will talk to her about all of this info soon, thank you all-
  10. I got to spend yesterday with my 20 YO granddaughter which was delightful, just like the old times with a ride in the yellow ice cream car. That is what the kids called the A when they were little and it is great they remember those things! She asked and we went for an extended Model A ride (yes, with an ice cream stop) where she talked about liking the old iron and wanting to get into old cars more. She says she wants to learn more, help with the cars and maybe even turn wrenches a little. My problem is she lives well out of state and does not get here often. She tried to search online but the only lead she got was a Model A guy four hours away and a stranger to her. What ideas do you have for connecting her with someone local to her area. Obviously I do not want to put her in any kind of danger but I know there are many really good car people out there and maybe you want to be a mentor to a young one and get some help with your collection as well. Still I am nervous about doing this and not sure if/how to proceed. I love that she wants to get in the hobby more and want to encourage her as we should do with any young people who want to participate. Any thoughts on how I can do this safely? I will be talking to friends but I do not think I know many folks in her area.
  11. They were more expensive and a little heavier car. I feel my L was competitive to a smaller Buick in 31 at 90HP, 118" WB and nicer interiors and it was their smallest eight offering then. I know Hupps were at a similar price point to the Buicks too. In 29 they were the fifth best in sales at 60,000 but that halved in '30 and halved again to 15K in '31 so they barely survived the Depression and never really came all the way back to 1929 prominence.
  12. Thanks for all the replies. I was talking to a fellow Hupp'er last night and he said his '28 M had running boards constructed as Keiser 31 described right down to the lock in tabs on the steel backer. He did say his were polished originally and the repros he got are polished. My guess is that they did not change build methods too quickly in the Depression and mine are similar. I will try to polish them some more tomorrow. Again thanks to all for the input!!
  13. OK here are some pictures of the trim on the 31 Hupp. This is the front edge driver's side. Inner and outer trim are flat gray, front edge is looking like polished aluminum will be the end result. . This is the driver's side rear edge, notice how rear piece shined up real easy to a chrome like finish. With the fine sw and polish there is some sheen starting on the outer piece, not sure if I am removing the plating or cutting thru the oxidation at this point. This the passenger side I have not touched yet. A closer view of the driver's side to show details in piece
  14. Thanks for the further explanation Keiser. I hadn't thought of that and have not had it off the car to see if that is the construction. If true then all the flat gray is oxidation and could/should come off right? This car is mostly an original survivor so it could be 80+ years of patina, a polite term for a lot of work coming up!
  15. I do not think they are aluminum since they stuck to a magnet quite well. That is the reason I asked the question as my first reaction was Al as well. Did anyone use anything else?
  16. I was cleaning my 1931 Hupp L sedan today as I ready it for a tour next week. I decided to clean up the running boards and I am not sure what the finish is on the trim pieces. It is a dull gray over a steel piece on three sides. The piece by the rear fender cleaned up to a shiny finish different from the rest but also on steel. Could the flat gray be a zinc plate or maybe a cadmium plate for weather resistance? It is not a mottled finish like galvanizing gives but a uniform flat gray look. I believe it to be a plating as OOOO steel wool created a small bit of very fine powder removal when used and rubbing too far created shiny spots like bare steel. I will try to add pictures tomorrow. Just one of those little things I have never seen discussed here. I have always thought/ observed most trim was polished aluminum or SST. With the vast knowledge base here is there any history on what was used in the early thirties? Thanks for any and all knowledge,
  17. My father survived WWII as a AAF B-17 navigator in the European theater and I really respect that generation. What they did, saw, created, invented, built and lived through starting as babies/ kids in the Great Depression truly makes them the greatest generation. Our country would not be what it is without all they did in war and peace. As a proud native and resident of Waterloo, NY the federally recognized birthplace of Memorial day where Gen John Logan started Decoration Day in 1866 I understand the meaning of Memorial Day as well as most. We honor all those who perished in all wars the USA has fought in or is still fighting. For Waterloo this is not a furniture sale day and is still held on May 30, the original date. My flags are flying high and proud today! Please take a minute and reflect on those who gave it all so we can live the life we have today, including our great hobby.
  18. I have not checked back on this thread since before Christmas but I see someone has already found Jim's Egypt Garage eLights I was referring to. I did say they were turn only in the rear and I know he has looked into a four corner unit but not sure where it went.
  19. I believe you can by the hardware cloth outer and the inner mesh in copper or stainless at RJ&L fasteners and maybe elsewhere. They are on the web with a search.
  20. Maybe I should not promote a company here but a friend is making such a wireless turn signal unit. It is a unit for the rear of the car and a small unit that clamps on the steering column. It is turn and flashers in the rear only and both are battery operated, work well and can be moved from car to car in a few minutes. The biggest problem I have with them is that I forget to turn off the outside unit and drain the batteries between usages. I have them on a 1931 Hupp sedan with 118" WB and they work fine. They are totally manual so you have to turn them off after a turn but placing the paddle correctly makes this very easy and the beeper reminds me to do it if I forget.
  21. Just found this in the local paper's photo archive. I have never heard of Van Lugs, a patented 'lug' attached to the tire for traction before paved roads. Anyone ever seen them or a set of them? I think the other panel on the umbrella says rubber pads. http://www.fltimes.com/days_of_yore/days-of-yore-a-finger-lakes-photo-archive/collection_b549a5ec-ad00-11e7-8e1a-a7c391e2eda6.html Van Lug Karen Barto of Seneca Falls shared this photo of her uncle, Ralph VanDerveer of Geneva, NY (right) and his best friend, Dick Tubbs, with a 1927 Dodge roadster that Ralph purchased in 1935 for $10. Barto also shared a note from Ralph that went into greater detail about the car, noting his classmates called it a " bucket of bolts" and that many couples had their first date in the rumble seat. He also noted the umbrella was used in rain and snow as the car had no top. "Story goes that by having this car I was able to take my favorite girlfriend home after school" Ralph wrote, "Now after 55 years of happy marriage we still reminisce about great times we had riding around." Barto also went into more details about the Van Lug umbrella, explaining that Ralph's father had a patent on the lugs, which were bolted to metal wheels for traction. After they started paving roads they were not used anymore she said. Merry Christmas to all,
  22. Hi all- Just got this in an email and thought I would share with all the Avanti folks here. Might be the highest asking price I have seen for an Avanti but it looks like a very nice car that pushes the right buttons with R2 and 4 speed. https://hymanltd.com/vehicles/6058-1963-studebaker-avanti-r2-coupe/
  23. cahartley- I understand there is considerable cost to the auction house, my answer was kind of tongue in cheek really. They have their staff, moving, storage and probably a lot of insurance cost while in their possession (on top of the owner's insurance). As for appraisals I would think the owner has had it appraised from before he bought it but the house probably still checks the paperwork at least. That kind of art is in a rarefied atmosphere where our cars do not get. But I still think 50 mil is a hefty buyer commission on top of what the seller paid. The seller's commish should have covered the Sotheby's costs and some profit or Sotheby's needs to look at their business model. I'll stick to my orphan cars, I can handle the costs at least.....
  24. I guess you'll never get into art auctions with these reactions. Did you see where the DaVinci painting that sold the other night had $50 million in fees after the $400 M gavel price? That works out to 12.5% to Sotheby's, not bad for 20 minutes on the block. I do not like the buyer's premium either, just another gouge in my opinion once they have raised the seller's pain to a scream level ( about 35% around here). But it is America and there is no such thing as too much profit for anybody/ anything nowadays.....
  25. I was set up on the Chocolate field and felt the same thing when I got out to walk this year. A lot of empty spaces and multi-unit camping areas. I am a bit prejudice on the vendors selling as I like to close and get out and shop too at times, I also attend several club meetings during the week that mean time away from the booth. I also felt the crowd was very light this year with the best selling day I had on Thursday. The crowd was terrible on Tuesday, better on Wed and evaporated at literally 4:30 on Friday. I looked down the row at 4:30 and saw a light amount of people but at 4:40 I noticed I could see all the way to the south end with only a couple of walkers in sight! My pet peeve is with the vendors. When the forecast Thursday called for 40% chance of rain that afternoon (with a good forecast for Friday) I saw vendors packing with a small steady stream exiting the field all afternoon. None of us like rain but this gets worse every year it seems. If rain is mentioned some immediately pack it in. That doesn't help entice the buyers to stay or even come so the spiral continues. I do think aging out has a lot to do with all of this, the convenience and saved travel cost of internet shopping and the HERCO issues all have a lot do with what I too see is a disturbing change/trend for the Fall Meet. Next year is 40 non stop years for me, love it and will keep going but it is definitely not what it was in the 80's or 90's.