ex98thdrill

Definately a rare piece of iron. I remember as a kid my father had a deposit down on one and my mom told him 'NO' and we didn't get it (boy has he kicked himself for listening to her). I'll be the first to say that is the first one that I've seen that is white. I've only seen about three or four in my life, but all of the ones that I've seen have been red.

No you're right. We've got more money tied up in our rig than we do what's inside of it. Despite the rain, the truck was at Hershey this weekend and it got wet. We're not going to drive all those miles to leave it in the trailer, but if it's raining, we're not going to pull it out of the garage and drive it. Yes we have an enclosed trailer, yes we enjoy driving the truck, but when you're out on these overnight shows, the truck is locked up while when we're not around it. If you've got one of those rare cars and walked for three days at Hershey looking for that one part that you can't find, you don't like leaving it outside and having someone steal that one part. Our truck has never been kept outside without someone watching it and it is a trailer queen, but there are some exterior trim pieces on that truck that need replacement but haven't been because they haven't been found (hood hinges, hood ornament, grill badge, etc.). You can't pick up the phone and order stuff for Plymouth pickups like you can with a Model 'A' or a '57 Chevy and to have some warped individual to decide to acquire a "souvenier" off from it, could mean losing something that can't be replaced. Now that the truck has earned its senior, it'll be pampered until we can get our Grand National and then after that, we'll be a little more liberal with it, but anything farther than commuting distance that truck will be trailered. I'm not against drivers or against trailer queens, but you've got to look at what the car is and it's rarity. I'd still be willing to bet that you'll find very few Auburns, Chords, Packards or Duesenburgs that are daily driven and that very few people who are against trailering have cars that rare. Something as small as a radiator cap can often be irreplacable or expensive if it is stolen.

Well... Like I said for national meets only. When you've got a lift in the shop and can raise everything to eye level, it's not that hard to do, it looks nice, but it is very time consuming. If we were laying on a creeper doing it I don't think it would be getting done. For the $2,500 spent for the lift, it is handy, especially when you're doing brake work or taking bodies off and on the frame. We'll unbolt the bodies from the frames, lift them off, roll the frame out and then lower the body down on a crable (rotiseree, whatever you call them).

Black car, brown leather seats with a white top? The guy that owned the car I believe his last name was Ludwig and I had believed that the car had stayed around Victor New York all that time (at least until Mr Ludwig died back in 1988). Corning is about 60 miles away, but where that car ended up, it might be the one. The car was a very clean and original car.

Don't laugh, some guys don't like getting their cars wet. I won't poke fun because I'm guilty of that myself. Before we leave for a show (national meets only), we take our truck into the shop, put it on the lift and wax the undercarriage. If you've driven through the crap, and then gone through to clean the undercarriage, it is a pain in the butt to clean up the mess (I've done it several times) LET THE BUSTING BEGIN!!! (I know someone will have a field day with this post)

You're right. I'm not bashing trailer queens (we've got them), and I'm not against daily drivers. You hate to not be able to drive the cars, but when you put thousands of dollars and hours of work in to something, you also hate to risk messing them up. I actually don't mind driving them as much as it bothers me to park them in a praking lot. I think it is wrong for someone to scutinize someone customizing a car or restoring a car. It all goes back to it's their car and they're entitled to do as they choose with it, but they're wrong for condemning someone for their choice. My father and I still have several unrestored cars, but what we've found is that either the cars we've found were wither too good to customize (we couldn't bring ourselves to do it) or too bad to mess with. There has been more tha one time when we had the body in primer where we've both said "boy would this make a nice rod" but couldn't do it. A '37 Ford Phaeton? That's a rare car! A nice rare car!! There was an older gentleman that used to live in Victor, New York that had a black one that was bought brand new by his grandfather? (or father) that aside from a paint job, was all original and nice. When he died, that car disappeared and we haven't seen it since (1988). I know at a time if the opportunity had come up to buy that car, my father would've grabbed it, but it never did, and the car hasn't been seen.

Excuse me... Anonymous, please don't come into this forum to talk trash unless you are brave enough and adult enough to register. Everyone has an opinion and not everyone is right, but regardless of the feelings, we are a group that are here for a reason and the reason is not to bash others. If you wish to continue to post stuff like that I would like to politely ask you to go to another forum. Thank you for your time.

I won't be there but not by my choice.

You still can't rule out the Whippet.

I can understand your feelings, but it always goes to the old saying that the busiest people tend to be the ones who do a good job. I am an AACA member, yet I have absolutely nothing to do with the local chapter (Genessee Valley) near where I live and all I do for AACA is pay my dues and go to the shows. The sad part is, GVACS is an excellent chapter, but I don't have the time to commit to the chapter therefore I don't partake in their activities. If you haven't already found out, you'll soon learn that most of these organizations are usually run by only a small handfull of people. It doesn't matter if it is the Lions Club, Kiwanis, Rotary Club, Volunteer Fire Dept., Volunteer Ambulance Services, Church, Scouting, Salvation Army, Red Cross, Volunteers of America, Big Brother Program, American Legion, VFW, Little League, etc. It all boils down to the same few people doing everything time after time. In my case, I use to work midnights but I am in the army reserve and have found myself in the middle east working to end terrorism. Before my deployment, I was an assistant chief in my local fire department, an EMT on the ambulance (which the fire dept owns), work the crash truck ar Watkins Glen International Speedway (volunteer)as well as my monthly army reserve obligations, home obligations, and spending most of my weekends either out in the shop working on cars, or showing the cars off. As for my other involvements, I'm a dues paying member in AACA and with SPAAMFAA but other than that I'm guilty of exactly what you're saying about being an absentee member. My advice to you... you're right, be patient, and be thankful for the people that you've got. You may have a full plate, but do the best that you can do if your in a leadership position and support the leaders in power if you're not in the position yourself.

I'll be across the big pond willing to give anything to be there, but I'll have to settle for next year instead. My dad? He'll be there with the '37 Plymouth pickup going for his first preservation award. This will be his first time being there with a vehicle in the show and his first time in 30 years that he has gone to Hershey without me.

Come dressed for any weather that may come your way. I've seen it hot and sunny, cold and rainy, you name it. I've also seen it warm and sunny and a certain flea market field that I won't mention a total mudhole with everyone in vehicles getting stuck and everyone on foot slipping in the mud and falling down.

You see in New York, we put our inspection and registration stickers on the windshield so it's a different situation. On our registration stickers in the windshield it shows the serial number, vehicle make, vehicle year, license plate number, and expiration date. With our type of system in New York, it gives the cops all of the information that they need and all they have to do is verify it through the NYSDMV computer. The beauty of our system is that if you get pulled over, you're in a lot of trouble if you've got switched plates. In your case, it seems like you were the victim of a rookie mistake.

The thing that surprises me about you getting a ticket, is that the cop should've run the license plate number through his dispatcher into that jurisdiction's Dept of Motor Vehicles computer (every law enforcement agency should have one - in NY they do). If the computer was up, the plate should've came back as being a valid registration. In New York, that's how we find out wether or not a vehicle is legally registered.

Are you going to Hershey?

I had my words backwards... dawn to dusk. (The heat in the dessert is getting to me)

Your 1st Junior award is arranged to where you got the trophy at the banquet, your placque will be mailed to you at a later date. As for the numbers not being on the badge previously, that was before my time. I believe the numbers on the new Junior badges have the numbers for tracking your vehicle. I believe the number on the badge is on file and allows AACA to keep a record of all of your vehicle's information on it like date of win, events attended, make, model, serial number, engine, owner, etc. (I think). I suspect that's why the application forms for a meet are as detailed in the information requested are for these purposes. Congratulations on your win!!

I do too. But in my case, my dad and I go from dusk to dawn everyday and do it again everyday until the show is over. I know what you mean because this is time for just me and my dad. My wife stays home, my mom stays home, and we're going through the rust piles too..... father and son!! As a kid, I carried the stuff while he spent the money. Now we both spend the money and carry the stuff. Up until we realized that we could stay at Fort Indiantown Gap, we spent many of years sleeping in the back of the truck under a tarp. I'm sure this year will be very hard for him with me not being in the picture, but at least there will be next year. I'd give anything to be able to go, but this year I'm forced to sit this show out.

Even with $2,000 a day, if your car gets damaged, you can't hire someone to repaint a car for that price, and your time is worth something as well. I still say a contract is the only way to go, x number of dollars, plus full replacement and repairs done to the vehicle for damages.

Antique, vintage, classic, restored, show winner, vehicle condition... I think there are as many definitions to those words as there are members. I've seen cars called "restored" that had nothing done to them other than a fresh paint job, I've seen people call things that are in "good condition" that I wouldn't even attempt to restore, and of course you have the "show winner" that was at a show (local) and took a trophy because of the vehicle's color and/or owner's popularity with the judges and not the quality of the restoration or condition. I always thought that when a vehicle was 15 years old it was a classic, and at 25 years it became an antique. But contrary to belief is it right to classify a '77 AMC Pacer (I'm not bashing the pacer) and label it as an antique like you would a Model 'T'? You could still argue the same point with postwar and prewar cars, and a Model 'A' versus a Dusenberg (dollar value).

Admitting your age? I'm 34 but even though my father was spending the money, who do you think was carrying the fenders? That was also back in the day where you could park along HP Drive, as well as what is now the white field (they used the rest of white field to offer airplane rides for those who had the time money left). I thought the outlet mall was red and the park was blue, but I wasn't sure. This goes back a few years doesn't it? I thought the flea market was too huge back then, but it still seems to grow every year. It used to be where we only went down on Saturdays, then we added Fridays, then Thursdays, Wednesdays and now we go down on a Tuesday. Despite the changes, it STILL doesn't seem like we're able to see and do everything. That also goes back to the days when the cars were in the stadium.

Is there a contract involved? I know a guy who did a beautiful restoration on a '32 Mack dump truck that got used in a movie. When he got his truck back, they had painted his beautiful green truck to a battleship gray. Between possible damages and in this case, defacing it, don't do anything unless you've got a contract.

I'd forgotten about the park. I was only thinking with the money being spent, how it would affect their economy without the show. I spent most of my time in the flea market searching for parts to where I never paid much attention to the park. If my memory serves me correctly, once upon a time, what is now the oulet mall was one flea market field (red or blue) and the other flea market field has now been taken up by Hershey Park (red or blue?) Aside from traffic, you don't have the hassles like you would other events. I was a Sheriff's deputy (up until I got sent into war by my army reserve unit), and every year I got called down to assist Schuyler County Sheriff's Dept. with the Winston Cup race at Watkins Glen, so I know what it is like to deal with the traffic (200,000 people) and have to fight with the drunks. I still have yet to see Darby PD have to contend with the headaches that I have contended with at the Glen. Usually I take my vacation from work, to go down and work the Glen race, and then take another vacation to go to Hershey to spend the money that I made working at the race. If the factory gets sold and moves the operation someplace else, what else is left other than the park for jobs and revenue brought in? I realize that you still have Harrisburg, but then when you take the smaller towns where there is nothing, the show and the factory are what also support these other coomunities.

Ron, If the show were to go away, the locals would change their mind in a hurry. I look forward to the Hershey meet every year. After working the Nascar event at Watkins Glen International, the locals at Hershey would be glad to have the AACA folks. Of course individual personalities clash from time to time, but you still don't have the problems or the rowdiness at Hershey like you would at a rock concert, ball game or car race. Most people are older sensible people who are there on legitimate business and not a bunch of hell raisers. I know as much as I like going to the races myself, Watkins Glen turns into a zoo, but on the flip side, a majority of the income generated during that one race weekend is what keeps most of the local businesses going all year long. If the show were to leave Hershey, I'm sure it would hurt the local economy. I guess in a nutshell, the locals shouldn't be dreading the AACA show, they should be thankfull for it. There are a lot of communities that would love to have that kind of activity to generate the lower economy and assist in lowering their tax base.

Interesting points being made. Signing a petition trying to stop someone from selling their factory? That would be like someone trying to stop us if we wanted to sell one of our own cars. I'd like to know what December 1970 has to do with it (I don't understand it and I'm interested), but I also would like to know if the local people and the employees have tried to buy the business themselves. After a lifetime of going to the fall meet, I'd hate to see the meet leave Hershey because I enjoy it, but if the people concerned aren't taking steps on their own to save their own jobs and their local economy, then it is nobody's fault but their own. Right now it appears that we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.