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Craig , Eldorado started in 1953 along with Skylark and Old Fiesta, The spin off of those limited production cars for Olds was the 1954 Olds Starfire. This car had things no GM car had before like sweep cut front and rear fender styling and a panoramic windshield with "A" pillar that swept back past 90 degrees that Chevy and Pontiac wouldn't get until 1958! Although Cadillac get's it in 1957. Compare this 1954 Starfire with a 1954 Chevy and see old vs new. And where GM and Chevrolet styling was going.

That's a good question as we all know the Toro Body was a Olds project first and the 67 Eldorado sat on that "E" body platform. But the Toronado was a new for Olds Personal Luxury car in 1966, and the Eldorado is a Personal Luxury car that dates to the first Eldorado in 1953. The second one about muscle car is a bit easier. For instance when Olds installed the 303 V-8 into the "A" body 76 series it was done to create a mid section price point between the 98 and the 76. Also the "A" body 1949-1958 are consider a full size car. When Henry Ford installed the V-8 in 1932 it was to compete with the Chevrolet 6, and Henry Ford didn't like 6 cylinder engines so he installed the V-8. Still considered a full size car for the time. Had Henry installed the 221 in a English Ford ( much smaller scale ) it could have been called a muscle car. Chrysler 300 is a full size car. Full size are not in the muscle criteria of a big engine in a mid size car. A production car that is purpose built for performance that is mid size, that was created by a division of a corporation to circumvent corporate rules of engine size and horsepower so that it could be released by making it a option on another series car that is mid size or what we call a intermediate is what a muscle car is. The car that meets that criteria is Pontiac GTO.

My guess is that D = all three forward speeds and that L = first only. Remember Buick and some Chevrolets had D L2 L1, while on the same trans in Olds or Pontiac it was D S L when using 400 HydraMatic Strange considering the original HydraMatic only had D & L, but then in 1952 HydraMatic division decided to control the transmission ( add a feature) by adding Dual range and since then continued with that. The only way to know for sure is to find someone with that car, or try to find road test from magazines of that era.

When I watch something about history I want to hear the facts, see the real people not actors and hear the real dialogue and not something a script writer with his own thoughts injects. There is plenty of documentation and footage of the REAL people in the auto industry to compile a story. It made me sick to see a actor portraying Ferry Porsche ( hell they couldn't even pronounce the name!) tearing the wings off a beetle to make a 356. They didn't even mention Erwin Komenda, Karl Rabe, and the VW's engine designer Franz Reimspeiss, hell, Reimspeiss also designed the VW logo! Talk about misinformation TV.

Remember the three G.M. personal luxury cars of 1953. The 1953 Buick Skylark, the 53 Oldsmobile Fiesta, and the Cadillac El Dorado. Lincoln Mark 2, Ford Thunderbird 1955-1966. If Pontiac Grand Prix ( 1962-68 ) is allowed, then the 1960-61 Ventura should be allowed too. A 1962 Pontiac Grand Prix in reality is a new name for the Ventura sans some more HP from the same engine. Both born out of Catalina, and 63-68 gets a distinctive concave backlight......like, here comes another Personal Luxury coupe, the Olds Starfire which began in 1954.

1964 Cadillac DeVille; with T400 1964 Coupe DeVille with 315 HydraMatic or Controlled coupling HydraMatic 4 speed.

1964 Buick Wildcat; 1964 Buick Wildcat Sport Coupe 401-4 V-8 Super Turbine 400 (aut. 3) specs Buick Wildcat Sport Coupe 401-4 V-8 Super Turbine 400 (aut. 3) , manufactured or sold in 1964, version for Europe export (since January) (up to September) manufactured by Buick in United States 2-door coupe body type RWD (rear-wheel drive), automatic 3-speed gearbox gasoline (petrol) engine with displacement: 6572 cm3 / 401 cui, advertised power: 234.5 kW / 314 hp / 319 PS ( SAE gross ), torque: 583 Nm / 430 lb-ft, more data: 1964 Buick Wildcat Sport Coupe 401-4 V-8 Super Turbine 400 (aut. 3) Horsepower/Torque Curve characteristic dimensions: outside length: 5558 mm / 218.8 in, width: 1981 mm / 78 in, wheelbase: 3124 mm / 123 in reference weights: base curb weight: 1955 kg / 4310 lbs how fast is this car ? top speed: 199 km/h (124 mph) (©theoretical); accelerations: 0- 60 mph 8.4© s; 0- 100 km/h 8.9© s (simulation ©automobile-catalog.com); 1/4 mile drag time (402 m) 16.2© s (simulation ©automobile-catalog.com) 1964 Buick Wildcat Sport Coupe 401-4 V-8 Super Turbine 400 (aut. 3) Detailed Performance Review fuel consumption and mileage: average estimated by a-c©: 23.6 l/100km / 12 mpg (imp.) / 10 mpg (U.S.) / 4.2 km/l, more data: 1964 Buick Wildcat Sport Coupe 401-4 V-8 Super Turbine 400 (aut. 3) Specifications Review Interior shot of 1964 Buick Wildcat;

1964 Buick Rivieras

So if you are talking about dumps, the ones you have to remove by unbolting a cover plate, then if you are they are irrelevant to this topic.

Are you talking about factory installed "DUMPS" or a actual from the driver seat controlled factory cut outs like the picture below from a Pontiac GTO; Pontiac, and I'm sure Chevrolet and Ford made factory "DUMPS" , but you had to crawl under the car to remove the block-off plates, see below on a 61-63 Pontiac SD setup. all factory parts.

So true Bloo ! and the smaller the worm clamp the worse it gets in distorting the hose. I remember when I worked for VW as a line mechanic and later in unit repair 50 years ago every car that came into the shop got worm clamps tossed in the trash.

Frank, you are correct and are now the design of choice with almost all manufacturers going back to the 80's in some cases.

"Factory" cut out option 1970 Pontiac GTO. 1970 Pontiac GTO Humbler - Commercial - LONG VERSION!!!!! - YouTube

I agree that people using antique, collector or historical plates on a car that is a daily driver are abusing what those plates and the perks that go along with them is wrong. Now consider this. It's 1960 and the driver of this 32 Buick says " Oh gee, I wish that guy in that 1936 special would park next to me.

When you meet one I hope you respect their choice.

Again, Nope, all driven by boiler steam, It doesn't matter if it goes first three times in a triple expansion piston engine and then to a low pressure turbine before it's condensed and goes back. It's all part of the loop. Back to the subject.

Yes very much. A Bill Porter car.

Nope, all driven by boiler steam, It doesn't matter if it goes first three times in a triple expansion piston engine and then to a low pressure turbine before it's condensed and goes back. It's all part of the loop. Back to the subject.

For G.M. cars you can still buy the old hose clamps that go back to the 30's-50's below the 50's to early 60's wire type below; and the Tower type below;

one must provide more than a simple calendar date to qualify for "collector/historic" status. ???? What might that be? Does that mean you deny ( registration as a classic or antique) some younger person who grew up with a interest to collect a 2000 Buick Regal GS like his father once had. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What you consider too new for you seems old to a younger person. Ask your grandkids what old is. If you want to attract younger people into this hobby you need to consider what they want and what they consider a antique. The 20 or 25 year cut off is really the only fair way to welcome all. The only thing where all bets are off is modifying a car.

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Ads for the 1937 Chevrolet touted "the blue-flame principle of fuel combustion" as Chevrolet's answer to increasing efficiency and economy. EVERYONE GOT IT NOW ? This is where the nickname started.

1950 was the first year for the 235 offered with the Powerglide only and I found no reference to the engine being referred to as the Blue Flame Six.Blue Flame 125 is a six!

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YES! in fact Chevrolet used the term back to 1934, but generally the "NEW" version ( non stove bolt) starts in 1937. In regards to Corvette it's called the Blue Flame Special. Below is a Non Corvette engine called the blue flame; Below is the Corvette "Blue Flame Special"