Standard Eight

Thanks for the great story about your Paige.

Yes, I have seen the Herschell Carousel Factory Museum advertise for HS related engines and information as they are working to bolster their holdings related to the engine and automobile side of the Herschell and Spillman companies.

I know of eight surviving Standard Eight autos, two roadsters, one standard sedan, one sedanette, and four 7 passenger open touring cars. I have yet to find any surviving examples of a coupe or vestibule sedan (although there are probably a few unknown examples still out there). Bob

Overdrive would be nice. The Standards could sure use one as they are really gear bound ( but by design to cruise the hills of Western PA).

Wayne thanks for the encouragement on a long restoration process for me. What body style is your Paige? The person from who I bought this Standard has a Paige he also needs to restore.

Thanks Keith. And as an added extra I believe this may have been one of the last 2 or 3 Standards sold. Standard Steel Car Co. folded in April of 1923 and the sales network and distributors were closed by May/June 1923. The original bill of sale from SSCC came with the car and shows that this car was sold to the Jergen's family in September 1923 from the factory floor in Butler, PA.

Thanks. I have the '15 Roadster pretty much sorted out at this point. I keep it my garage with my collection of western PA gas and oil items (which got started because I worked for Sonneborn/Amalie/Kendall for 36 years). But you are spot on regarding the size of the sedan. The Standard Eight Sedanette model used the French suffix of "ette" to denote the models smaller rear three passenger cabin, when compared to the rear five passenger cabin of the regular Standard Eight Sedan model. Even though the rear cabin sizes differed the Sedan and Sedanette shared the same wheelbase. The shorter rear cabin allowed the purchaser to order the optional rear trunk platform and trunk, which this car has as an option.

I made the trip to Minnesota last weekend and brought back my new, to me, 1923 Standard Eight Sedanette. Far from a beauty queen at this point, but I am grateful that all the parts and pieces to the car are present as well as the HS V8 engine being totally complete. Bob

@racer2_uk your HS rebuild looks terrific. It is fantastic that you took the time and expense to rebuild one of these early V8 engines. Looking forward to seeing that motor in a chassis. Shortly before the Covid closures I was able to buy a second Standard Eight (the Sedanete version), with the HS V8 engine. And finally, all is clear, and we will be headed out to pick up the car and spare parts. The car has not been run in more than 25-30 years so I expect it will be several years before I get it sorted out and on the road. Good luck with your chassis search. Bob

Quality, I replied to your question about your three engines on your identification post before I saw this post. The link to the post below has a photo of a HS-V8 with dual ignition.

These motors appear to be Peerless engines, which used a modified version of the Herschell-Spillman designed V8. There are several ways to differentiate the Peerless Herschell-Spillman V8 and say the Standard Eight Herschell-Spillman V8. The easiest difference to spot is how the cooling tubes are attached. The cooling tubes on the Peerless are flange bolted to the monolithic head while the cooling tubes on the Standard Eight are attached using a captive nut machined into the head with an attaching "bolt" encircling the cooling tubes down pipes. And the Herschell-Spillman V8s used in the Standard Eights were available with either single ignition or dual ignition. The dual ignition system used a rear distributor to start the car and a front mounted magneto once the car was running. I have attached a picture of a Herschell-Spillman V8 from a Standard Eight which shows the dual ignition setup.

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Thanks. That’s how I started by cleaning out old posts but for some reason the attachments remain ( none of them are linked to any post so the are really just dead files ) But no problem leaving them. They present no problem at all. I just wanted to free up the storage space. Thanks for taking the time to check. Bob

Always a first right. When you have a chance you can purge all my attachments except for the two most recent. No rush at all. Thanks Bob

Thanks Peter, Maybe it is related to some type of account permissions as the ability to select and then delete attachments is not available when I go to My Attachments. Thanks Bob

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Is there any way to delete uploaded attachments from your profile which are no longer linked/used to a post? I was doing some clean-up to my profile and I would like the space used by these "dead" attachments to go back to the general server space. Thanks - Bob

Maybe try uninstalling Firefox, delete the left over Firefox folders after the delete finishes, reboot the device and then re-install Firefox. This should give you clean settings and a clean cache (as long as you got all of the left over folders deleted).

Have you tried logging into the forum with a different browser to see if you get the same error message. If you can log in with say Chrome or Edge this would indicate there is some type of cache issue with Firefox (sometimes using just the "clear cache" option within a browser not every possible cache item is removed).

What browser are you using when you see this error message?

This is probably a smart move on Bridgestone's part as the commercial market will be much less particular about the aesthetics of a new airless tire, which definitely will be an issue within the passenger vehicle segment. Bridgestone's non-pneumatic tire/wheel design, unlike Michelin's, has three separate parts (tread, hub, and web) allowing the replacement of worn tread as needed (the current Michelin design is a one piece unit). When these finally make it to market I will certainly consider using these for my enclosed car trailer as they will eliminate most if not all heat and pressure issues while towing. - Bob

Some other makes I have encountered which used the Standard Steel Car produced HS V8 include (and I am sure there are others): Abbott-Detroit Anderson Apperson Common Sense Tractor Daniels (I have seen Daniels listed as using their own V8 design also) Douglas Drummond Murray Rock Falls Ross Bob

I don’t believe there was any royalty arrangement to HS. All the rights to the HS V8 were fully vested to Standard Steel as part of the purchase. Thus Standard Steel was the only producer of the HS V8 for all other brand uses ( Peerless excludes) with all monies for sales going to Standard Steel Car Co - Bob

Actually it appears that other than design and prototype engine versions HS did not manufacture any of the production V8 engines at their facilities ( HS did produce all of their 4 and 6 cylinder engines). Peerless built HS V8 variants for themselves and Standard Steel manufactured and supplied their HS V8 variant for themselves and all other auto makers who might have used the HS V8. - Bob