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1930 Willys Six model 98B. http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/wokr/gallery/wil_168.htm

As far as I can see the mystery car is on disc wheels. There is also the prominent radiator badge that convinces me it is a Chev. Your Hup also has a widows peak on the visor which the mystery car does not have.

Hard to tell what size it is. It has the look of a Lancia Aurelia. But then if it is small maybe it is a Fiat 100-based Cisitalia. Aurelia is of course V6-powered and worth a lot of money. Cisitalia - smaller (4 cyl ohv) and a little less valuable depending on rarity. Looks like a big project whatever it is.

I wonder if this is a late production car - from the smaller wheels and skirted front fenders - or if it is an early one rebodied. I hope we hear from a Duesenberg expert. Hard to date the photo when the only other car in the pic is also pre WW2.

From the driving position and the overall size of the vehicle I reckon it is something commercial - maybe a Seagrave?? The clothing worn by the people in the pic suggest 1950s or later. I wonder if this is an old fire truck re worked.

My 1929 Plymouth also still has its original two shades of brown on it but it is not that awful coffee colour allied with the very light white/cream that the Hudson in the link has.

Might they be REOs? I know the windshield brace on the restored one goes the wrong way. Seems they only built this style for a very short time. Central Txas Museum of Automotive History 1913 Reo ST5 Touring Car JPG 1 1 39 of 67 - photo 1913 Reo ST5 Touring Car JPG

I would say not later than 1913 as almost all makes went to a cowl for 1914. Not many makes had those lights inset in the firewall which would narrow the choice of makes down a lot. Not Stoddard-Dayton though.

Comparing this one with the pictures in The Standard Catalog , the style of front fenders would narrow it down to 1908 or 1909. They came in two sizes - wheelbases around 110" and 120". I can't be sure which this is.

Here is a link to that Duesenberg in "Its a Wonderful Life". IMCDb.org: 1931 Duesenberg Formal Town Car Rollston in "It's a Wonderful Life, 1946" Actually a quite different car - note the exposed hinges. There are still some cars in that movie not yet identified. Any ideas from some of you antique experts - antique cars I mean not antique you. http://www.imcdb.org/movie_38650-It-s-a-Wonderful-Life.html

I visited the Harrah collection in 1978 - just a few days after Bill Harrah's death as it happened - and they were collecting vehicles together for one of their regular sales. I remember one was a Stutz fire engine from the 1920s but I don't remember seeing under the hood. There was that much stuff to see (well over 1000 cars - I spent three days there) that many cars that you would normally spend some time looking at, at a small gathering, you just walked straight past to get to something even better.

Here is one - 1924 Stutz Series 315 Model C Fire Engine - Pictures - google stutz fire engine (or truck) and you will see that there are several Stutzs surviving but there are not many under-hood shots to show which engine is in them.

Much like this one - http://motor74.com/wp-content/uploads/main/2010_12/1924-Hudson-Super-Six-Coach.jpg - except it is not on that awful brown and cream that people insist on painting their old cars in.

This is an Oakland Model 34 but whether it is a 34-B which was produced with little change from September 1917 to June 1920 (according to the book 75 Years of Pontiac Oakland) or a 1920-21 Model 34-C, which has a 3 inch longer wheelbase (115") and began in January 1920 and ran concurrent with the 34-B for 5 months, it is hard to say. The reason the hood looks short enough to be a four is that the Oakland six was quite small with a bore of 2 13/16 inch. From photos I have seen the engine is a close fit under the hood.

And yes it is a first series Twin Six.

Here in NZ summer has arrived - it was 33 degrees C (91F) on Wednesday - warmer than usual for a cool climate coastal area at 43 degrees South.

#3 in the first group might be a very early Studebaker electric - the front hood is like their 1902 models.

The Cadillac in pic #10 of the first group is a 1915 Type 51 - the first V8.

Of the second group, the first picture looks like a 1914 Buick model 24 roadster, except the Buick had vertical hood louvres - maybe it is an optical illusion that these look sloped. The third pic might be a big Buick C-55 tourer from 1915. The second one dates from around 1916-17 - maybe a Hudson??

I think the cross-country Packard is 1915 3-38, the last model before the Twin Six. It has the smaller six of 415 cubic inches.

#1 is unusual in having the radiator well foreward but from looking at the sump, the engine is set well back and is probably not as big as the long hood would suggest.

I don't think #3 is a Renault, it is an electric of some sort. Yes #9 is an Oakland 6-60 of 1913 or '14.

I just checked my Standard Catalog and there is a pic there of a 1915 Franklin Six-30 Roadster with that little rack at the back of the seat.

It looks as if it has a Renault style engine hood but no radiator so I am guessing it might be a Franklin - around 1915.

In 1930 they down from 20" to 19" tyres. I thought these looked to be smaller.