Steven Ford Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Hi all. I am on the hunt for the inner race for rear wheel bearings to suit 1923/4/Model R. Hupmobile part number 49120 "rear wheel bearing inner race - wheel end". Does anyone know where I can obtain some of these? Does anyone have the bearing manufacturers part numbers? I am restoring a rear end that has been out in the open for a number of years and these are all I need to complete the job. The completed unit will go into storage as a spare part for one of the running cars I have should it ever be needed. Thanks Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lump Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Hello, Steven. I have a 1923 Model R touring, which I inherited from my parents. There are some spare parts in boxes, which I will try to look through, to see if I have any spare bearings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Ford Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 Thanks Lump that would be appreciated. I have the old ones pulled and have been shopping around the local suppliers with no luck. It has been suggested that I could get the old ones resurfaced but if it came to that I would probably get completely new ones made and case hardened. Cheers Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Dodge face book page had this posted. If interested go to facebook and look at the early Dodge group. David Dearricott November 14 at 12:08am Hi. Can someone please help identify this diff. I have been told that it is from a Dodge. The ends have been cut off but the gears inside are fine. Thanks LikeShow more reactions CommentShare 11 Comments View 1 more comment David Dearricott Thanks very much for your help. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · November 15 at 4:22pm Remove Chris Berry What are you going to do with it? I need a rear gear LikeShow more reactions · Reply · November 16 at 8:40pm Remove Write a comment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Ford Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 Hi everyone. I am still on the scrounge for the inner wheel bearing races for the rear wheels to suit 1924 Model R. Scan of the parts list with what I need highlighted. Anyone know of someone who could make me some form the correct grade steel? Regards Steve hupp wheel bearings001.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Ford Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 So Far no luck in procuring the bearing parts, All sources inform me that the Hyatt wheel bearing and inner and outer rings are non existent to suit the model R Hupp. There is a light at the end of the tunnel though as I have found a bearing company willing to make both the rings and the bearing cage & roller assembly. Cost is yet to be determined - they will do 1 of each but cost gets lower with quantity. So anyone interested in getting this project off the ground so they have spares? Expression of interest needed so when I send off the sample they have some idea on quantity and therefore unit costs. Thanks Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lump Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I would be curious as to cost. As far as I know, I do not need them. But spares might be nice to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Ford Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 I have just emailed the company concerned for separate pricing on the inner and outer races and the cage and roller assembly pending arrival of samples. I have asked for some "ball park" pricing at this stage based on a quantity of 10, 20 & 30 units and upwards from there, I have a pal here in Australia who is interested in a spare set plus some for my cars so that's al least six at this very early stage. A rough comparison would be the outer ring. I have located 1 new old stock from a specialist vintage car bearing company and they are asking $ 250.00 Australian for it, In regards to the inner race and the actual bearing, they have thrown in the towel after hunting for me since November last year - according to them I will never find them if they cant and their suggestion is to change the rear end to one from a '25 R which they can get bearings for. My understanding is that the later unit is incompatible with the earlier cars in regard to the Houk & Hayes wheels plus driveshaft and braking differences so I would wish to not deviate from standard parts fitment. Watch this space for developments and spread the word around as the more we can get made the cheaper they will be Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lump Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Steven, I don't want to hijack this thread, but it occurred to me that I should ask you about top saddles for Model R touring car tops. My parents put a new top on my car back in 1963, but it has never been lowered, because of a lack of saddle irons. I bought one at Hershey, which a man claimed was correct for my Hupp, and then I bought some more oddball units as I found them. I have five or six mismatched top iron saddle clamps now, but no idea if any of them are right for my car. Can you show me a pic of the correct units? Of course, my 1963-vintage top is probably too old and fragile to put in the down position, but I would someday like to install a fresh top, and be able to put it down for parades, etc. Any help will be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Ford Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 Hi Lump Picture of what I have on one of my cars. The other car I have is also similar as are the ones I have seen on other R models. Issue is that bodies were locally produced here in Australia for taxation reasons imposed to stimulate local industry, - So type fitted to Hupp factory bodied cars I cant tell you. Bearing sample is on its way for quotation and I have Alan Jones of Hupmobile Register getting the word out in the next issue - need to get the US Hupp club on board also for expressions of interest. Closest modern bearing I have found is a double row ball unit same outside diameter as the outer race and same inner diameter as the axle tube plus same width as the stock unit. There is no system I can devise to utilize these to stop[ races turning in housings and still get the wheel off again as per the Hyatt units as both are a press on fit. Lets see how much it hurts to have some made to original specs. Cheers Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Ford Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 Hi everyone The cost has come back to have the bearings and races made at Australian $350 per wheel excluding any freight charges and providing that we can do a minimum quantity of 10. Hupp part numbers are 49119 (outer race) 49120 (inner race) and 49121 (cage and roller assy) The only difference would be solid rollers as opposed to the original spiral wound ones in part 49121 To get these underway I am now asking for a firm commitment from interested parties and delivery is 10 - 12 weeks from time of placing the order. I have asked the US club and the local Hupp register here in Australia to solicit interested parties. I expect it will be a once only exercise so if you even think you might need some down the path please get on board. I personally think the quoted price is realistic since I had been quoted over half that amount for 1 only NOS outer race that had some rust pitting to its surface. Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Ford Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 An order for 10 bearings has been placed for which all but 2 are allocated (all responses came via Aust NZ Hupp Register). Delivery expected early October. Final price will probably be nudging A$400 each when all the dust settles and government stick on any import duties / customs charges etc. Cant know for sure as its the first time I've trod this path. But 2 only remaining if someone needs them. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mribbich@wi.rr.com Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) Just found your post my book says 1921 1922 1923 1924 ( R series ) Front Inner cone Timken 339, cup 333, Front Outer cone Timken 237 cup 233. Anyone else needing help on bearings form 1921 to 1929 call me 1-262-392-2989 or mribbich@wi.rr.com Marv. Edited August 18, 2018 by mribbich@wi.rr.com (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Marv, some body should tell you, I m guess its going to be me. If you read the post, its rear wheel bearings he is talking about., the fronts are very common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mribbich@wi.rr.com Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Sorry about that my mistake. Marv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Just thought I would refresh this if someone were looking for the rear wheel bearings. I originally posted as Steven Ford, but it was too difficult to log in and change my email address as the forum wanted to send confirmation stuff to my old one. Anyway, HB Bearings in Huddersfield UK is the company that made the batch of bearings for me (all now gone bar 1 set I am hanging onto) If someone is after the bearings, I suggest they contact HB Bearings and quote number 116059 at them, they may have done "extra" for their stock and if not, they can use the number to reference what they did to make more. I see no point in keeping this info secretly stashed away on my PC where nobody can benefit from it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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