countrytravler Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 What was the last year for the Chrysler that Spitfire was stamped on the 6 cylinder head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c49er Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 1954 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 Thank you. Looking for a 52-54 Chrysler 264 cu. in with Spitfire stamped in the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Same engine was also used for marine, industrial, up to 1972 and Dodge trucks up to 1962 (military 1968). Any DeSoto or Chrysler block can be fitted with the 4 3/4 stroke crankshaft and rods, the block, pistons etc are the same. I have all this stuff but as I live 3000 miles away, not much good to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 Would you call and or email a list and photos of parts to put this together. Distance not a problem. Ship Hemi engines all the time. Have a customer looking. Thought I had one in a 52 Chryler, someone put a D42 in it at one time. 209-613-1199dave@dodgecityvintage.comThanksDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c49er Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) I just got this one a couple months ago and not for sale - a real good running one out of a 1954 chrysler.... the spitfire head engines-251 and 264.5 ended in 1954.The 265 engines have tons of pulling power-much better than the 251. I have a 1952 1 ton dodge pu with a sodium valve 265 I put in it in 1973. I still drive it- great engine.Bob Edited July 6, 2014 by c49er (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 Thanks for the info 49er Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Dave, I have a 6 cyl in a 46 Chrysler coupe that has "Spitfire" on the head (don't know if it is original). I will not be using this engine, tell me what to look for to identify if it something you can use. Do you still have my card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c49er Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 The 1946 chrysler engine should be a 251 if original engine and the engine # will be a C38-XXXXX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) Right now all I have is an industrial engine with the same block but shorter stroke crankshaft. Plus another industrial engine, 265 cu in, with a cracked block.Was going to use the good block with the long stroke crankshaft to put together a 265.The industrial engine has the good, full flow "tower" oil filter same as 52 - 54 Chrysler.In other words I have 2 ENGINES, with enough parts between them to make one GOOD engine. Hope this is clear.The cracked engine was supposedly rebuilt then they left it full of water in the winter. I saved the camshaft, valves, springs, and 5 pistons as well as the crankshaft and rods.Also have a spare Spitfire head, and a few other odds and ends including a rebuilt carburetor (rebuilt in 1963, still in the box, correct carb with 2 switches for Fluid Drive semi auto trans).If this is of interest to you , I have it but please check cost of shipping. I can't help thinking there are a hundred of these engines right in California.PS the one engine is mounted on a 2 wheel trailer, if you want to come and get it lol. Edited July 6, 2014 by Rusty_OToole (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Is this for a car, truck, restoration? Serial number or features critical? Jack's 251 is a "Spitfire" engine. Only diff, slightly smaller, 4 1/2" stroke instead of 4 3/4" slightly lower HP and the oil filter is different. I think they had a full flow filter but with separate lines instead of the "tower" casting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 Dave, I have a 6 cyl in a 46 Chrysler coupe that has "Spitfire" on the head (don't know if it is original). I will not be using this engine, tell me what to look for to identify if it something you can use. Do you still have my card?Thanks for the offer and yes on the card. I have the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c49er Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 1949-51 Chrysler 251's had the same full flow filter system and oil filter canister as did the 1952-54 265ci chrysler engines.Measure stroke always to see what you got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 Is this for a car, truck, restoration? Serial number or features critical? Jack's 251 is a "Spitfire" engine. Only diff, slightly smaller, 4 1/2" stroke instead of 4 3/4" slightly lower HP and the oil filter is different. I think they had a full flow filter but with separate lines instead of the "tower" casting.For a 53 Chrysler. He insist on a 4 3/4 stroke with Spit head. Lives in Iowa. Think he is hopping it up a little. Buying headers and 2 carb intake from us.I'll pass the info on to him.ThanksDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 For a 53 Chrysler. He insist on a 4 3/4 stroke with Spit head. Lives in Iowa. Think he is hopping it up a little. Buying headers and 2 carb intake from us.I'll pass the info on to him.ThanksDaveThat is what I bought the engines for (except mine was a 52 DeSoto coupe). Except I sold the car and now have the spare engine and parts.Iowa is only about half as far as California but still far enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 I'll see what I can put together.Are you capable to pallet the parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 I'll see what I can put together.Are you capable to pallet the parts?Sure. If your friend is interested I will look around and see what other parts I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 I'll be talking to him this week.THANKSDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c49er Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 265's are a hot item! So are 413 sixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 265's are a hot item! So are 413 sixes.What do you mean by 265s are a hot item? I know they are hard to find, it took me several years to find mine and had to buy 2 motors plus parts, to make one good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c49er Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 People seem to always be looking for them to hop up put in a P-15 ect. A hot item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdW13 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 We are putting a 265 int our 51 traveler. The 251 will be for sale but it is stuck. We have an intake/exhaust and carb off the 265 we are not using if anyone is interested. I recommend finding an old yard and going out to look. We stopped and asked one if they had anything with flathead mopar...they said no. We decided to walk and look and found a few old trucks that had the 25 inch head motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 We are putting a 265 int our 51 traveler. The 251 will be for sale but it is stuck. We have an intake/exhaust and carb off the 265 we are not using if anyone is interested. I recommend finding an old yard and going out to look. We stopped and asked one if they had anything with flathead mopar...they said no. We decided to walk and look and found a few old trucks that had the 25 inch head motor.We have 60 plus Mopars in our yard from the teens to 60s and over 50 flat 6 and 8 cyl eng. No 265 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 265s are scarce. I scoured the country a few years ago (I know where all the old junk yard are). I found one in a 1952 Windsor hardtop for $500 about 50 miles from here and another, the one with the cracked block, in another junk yard 35 miles away. The good block I have, was an industrial water pump I bought from a local ski lodge (without the pump) but with a built in trailer. I also bought a non running 49 Chrysler 251 and a spare 251 engine at an auction. That was it for about 5 years of looking.I also saw an ad for a pair of 265 marine engines for sale at Gravenhurst but they were too far away and too expensive ($1000 apiece).I could have had at least twice as many Dodge and Plymouth sixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 How long ago was the 2 marines engines for sale? still available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 This was 3 or 4 years ago, they must be sold by now. If I had to find one today I don't know where I would look, all the old junk yards are closing and being cleaned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdW13 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Interesting. We just began collecting last august and we have five 251's and a 265....and we could get another 25 inch desoto motor from the guy we got our hemi's from. Two of the motors are in parts cars. We got our running 265 for350bucks....with clutch setup. Hubby had to take the bellhousing off it...he swore a bit...lol. The same yard has two that I know of right now....one in a 50 half ton so its likely a 251...but the other is in a 49 2 ton flatbed...so it maybe a 265 but it is frozenso no way to check stroke (except buy it...which I plan to do cuz I love the whole truck. We find the cars. For under a grand...and so far each has had a parts car.It seems there are a lot of old mopars in this neck of the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 There seem to be a lot of Packards in the Northeast too, especially in the small towns around San Francisco. There must have been a very active Packard distributor in that area in the forties and fifties. I noticed this a few years ago when I was perusing the ads for postwar Packards.Or, maybe there was a lot of conservative money people in the area who liked Chryslers and Packards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdW13 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I think it was the wheat farmers around here. They would get nice cars after good harvests. My hubby's grandpa got a new oldsmobile every two years. We see a lot of old mopars in barns or fields around here. I think it is similar now. The dealerships still fill up with fancy big cars at harvest time. I saw a chrysler industrial motor on ebay last week for 3 grand. I cant seem to find it now but there is a water pump with one currently on there...http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fire-Station-Water-Transfer-Pump-With-Flathead-6-Chrysler-500-GPM-/251295601174?pt=BI_Pumps&hash=item3a82629216We do temd to see packards, too, when we are driving around looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdW13 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Not a flathead.. But i saw this one too. I would love to see a generator ran by a hemi. They sure had cool stuff. I also saw an onan with a four banger chrysler motor. Too cool. I am thinking they should make a flathead powered snow thrower. maybe on tracks with a seat and cab.....and then we could throw our snow to the neighbors, lol.http://www.ebay.com/itm/251573372969?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdW13 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Rusty do all the 265 ' s have the machined bearing cap bolts? Maybe we could tell if the motor in that big truck at the junkyard is a 265 by that. It is frozen up so no way to check the stroke.The 265 we got is a runner. The guy said it was from a 50 big truck...With very low miles. Crazy we got it with everything for 350 bucks. If we come across another we will post it here since people are looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Yes, the rod cap bolts have no heads. This was done for clearance, the long stroke rods barely clear the crankcase. A feature only used on the 265s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c49er Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 What is the 265 block number stamped on the machined flat pad above the generator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdW13 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Yep...that's how it is on our 265 that we know is one. Hubby has a great pic of it. I really want that 49 big truck....and if it has 265 all the better. At least now we know we can check the bolts. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdW13 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 The 265 motor we are using for our traveler has no number. I think Rusty or somebody said it could have been a replacement engine. I don't have the numbers off the one in the 49 big truck...but I will be getting it when we go back...which will be soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen weaver Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Here is the photo of the machined rod bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) A 265 could be a Chrysler C51, C60-1, C60-2, or C62. Could also be a Canadian made DeSoto S18 or S20, or a Dodge truck T318, T330, T344, T346, T347, T356, T358, T404, T444, T446, T504, T546, L6D6, L6W5,L6S6, M6D6, M6W5, M6S6, TP26, TR26 TS26, L26, L265, M26, M265, S26 or various IND industrial or marine including IND32, IND33 and IND265. The industrial and marine engines often have an ID plate rivetted to the block near the crankcase part line, that gives the displacement or bore and stroke.*NOTE T318, T330, T344, T356 could be either 251 or 265 engines*Used in Chrysler 52 - 54 and Canadian built DeSoto cars 53 - 54, Dodge heavy trucks (1 1/2 ton and larger) 1951 to 1962, and in military vehicles, in 251 cu in form, to 1968. Also industrial and marine apps to 1972. So don't overlook the old farm machinery and boat yards, Massey was a big user of Chrysler industrial engines in tractors, combines etc.I believe some industrial engines were furnished with no serial number stamped. This was so the manufacturer could stamp their own number. A few years ago on this board, we had some inquiries about a Chrysler industrial engine in a Bombardier snowmobile. It was hard to identify because it had a non standard Bombardier serial number.Replacement engines were also furnished with no number, the dealer was supposed to stamp the serial number of the vehicle on the engine. Edited July 15, 2014 by Rusty_OToole (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 There is a customer in up state NY that has a snow blower that is driven with a 218. He was going to send pictures of it.Pictured below is a Hemi powered air raid siren located in the Chrysler Museum in MI. This would be cool to mount in back of a pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rusty_OToole Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 The hemi powered air raid sirens were said to be the loudest ever made, audible 15 miles away. They were part of the cold war civil defense system. Other than testing I don't think they were ever used. Should have very low hours on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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