alextheantiqueautoguy Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) A friend, who is a published automobile researcher in Russia and Europe, has been trying to identify this auto. Most likely, it is European but there's still a chance that someone posting on this forum can identify it. Some US makers would call this a double phaeton. 12-spoke wheels front and back, RHD unless the photo has been reversed, single light. I don't think it is electric but... somebody knows more than I do. Thanks! Edited February 17, 2023 by alextheantiqueautoguy left-right discrimination issues on my part (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 I am going out on a limb, here. I believe it is American, not European. It is gas powered not electric. As to whether the picture is reversed, you tell me. The wheels are 12 spoke, front and rear, similar to a Knox of about 1905. Anyone else have any thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Gregush Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Most all early American cars were righthand drive, even a few into the teens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariejan NL Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Definitely American: engine below the front seats, where the flywheel is just visible below the frame and also visible on the side the hole for the crank handle below the short side lever. The surrey body points at American origin as well, though it is a very short one: the rear passenger will undoubtedly suffer from knee problems! To give the car a name is a different story. For me it is unknown and therefore the well known needle in the haystack ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alextheantiqueautoguy Posted February 19, 2023 Author Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) On 2/17/2023 at 7:41 PM, dictator27 said: I am going out on a limb, here. I believe it is American, not European. It is gas powered not electric. As to whether the picture is reversed, you tell me. The wheels are 12 spoke, front and rear, similar to a Knox of about 1905. Anyone else have any thoughts? I had thought about Knox at one time. I am not a Knox specialist but almost all of the photos I saw of Knox show them as left-hand-drive so I discounted them as a possibility. Also, the Knox bodywork is of a lot higher quality than this thing, with it's obtuse but angled front. Electric? You may be on to something! Edited March 3, 2023 by alextheantiqueautoguy spelling (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alextheantiqueautoguy Posted February 19, 2023 Author Share Posted February 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Ariejan NL said: Definitely American: engine below the front seats, where the flywheel is just visible below the frame and also visible on the side the hole for the crank handle below the short side lever. The surrey body points at American origin as well, though it is a very short one: the rear passenger will undoubtedly suffer from knee problems! To give the car a name is a different story. For me it is unknown and therefore the well known needle in the haystack ... With no radiator visible, do you think it's electric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 hours ago, alextheantiqueautoguy said: With no radiator visible, do you think it's electric? Definitely gas powered, likely air cooled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Cubby1 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 It looks like an early Oldsmobile, a friend has one in his dining room his great grandparents bought new in 1908 in Santa Rosa Ca. been in the family since delivered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alextheantiqueautoguy Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 The idea of having a car in the family dining room and keeping it in the family for over a hundred years makes an antique car fan smile. But I don't think this is an Olds of the 1908 vintage. That year Olds had three rather large touring cars, the models M, X and Z, along with a Flying Roadster. If I fantasize, I would hope this family had one of Ransom Olds' pre-1900 cars... but it's likely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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