Tom400CFI Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) Hi folks, Figured there would be interest in the Hupp forum...not sure if I should post in the "Tours and Meets" forum too? At any rate, here is a link to story and pics from the '19 NE Brass and Gas tour...which was totally awesome. Read on, look at nice pics, and enjoy!.... https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c4-general-discussion/4291505-increadible-car-guy-week-in-nh.html . Edited July 7, 2019 by Tom400CFI (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MochetVelo Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Nice story. First time I've heard the Hupp 20 described in comparison to the Corvette. Keep us informed of your engine rebuild. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Tom, Sorry to read that your Hupp had engine problems, we chased that car on a Gas & Brass back in the late 1980's with our 1912 T Touring, we never lost sight of two 50HP Simplex toy tonneaus. I finally added a 1911 Hupp to my garage, plan on working on it later this afternoon. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1910Hupp Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Tom Sorry to hear about the Hupp I know the feeling having just had my engine out with the suspected same thing. In the end was nothing more than a loose flywheel which fooled more experienced people than me . However you are lucky that the crank wasn't damaged . The Joys of old cars --I have just spent several hours in the shed fiddling with the throttle linkage on the Breeze. I wasn't getting full butterfly opening on full gas pedal I fixed it but absolutely no change in performance and the throttle linkage became so complicated that it wouldn't revert back to idle when I let the gas off - I took the whole lot off and went back to how it was previously .. Go figure ! -Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom400CFI Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 On 7/9/2019 at 11:30 PM, 1910Hupp said: Tom Sorry to hear about the Hupp I know the feeling having just had my engine out with the suspected same thing. In the end was nothing more than a loose flywheel which fooled more experienced people than me . However you are lucky that the crank wasn't damaged . The Joys of old cars --I have just spent several hours in the shed fiddling with the throttle linkage on the Breeze. I wasn't getting full butterfly opening on full gas pedal I fixed it but absolutely no change in performance and the throttle linkage became so complicated that it wouldn't revert back to idle when I let the gas off - I took the whole lot off and went back to how it was previously .. Go figure ! -Karl Our Hupp has the same behavior; the last 1/2 of the throttle doesn't really do anything. I think it's due to the incredibly inefficient carb design, the lack of valve lift (the valve is the limiting factor to intake flow)...or both. On 7/7/2019 at 11:16 AM, MochetVelo said: Nice story. First time I've heard the Hupp 20 described in comparison to the Corvette. Keep us informed of your engine rebuild. Phil Ha ha ha....well, you noticed who the audience was over there! Glad someone you found the posts interesting. The tour was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1910Hupp Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Tom Nice to know some one else has the same problem . I have still fabricated a new bell crank linkage which gives me the full range of butterfly movement without the previous binding- although I have no expectation of lightening performance . I think the valve lift is the issue. as I've noticed at full throttle there is a heck of a lot of gas vapour pouring out the bottom of the carb. My theory is all the vapour the carb is producing can't get past the inlet valves and hence blows back . I missed a trick I should have made a slightly higher lift camshaft when I fabricated one to replace the broken one ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom400CFI Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 I'm not sure why you're getting gasoline (vapor?) coming from the carb at WOT; it should be sucking it all in. But IMO when you get good throttle sensitivity at low throttle angles and none at high, then that means the that the throttle bore is too big for the rest of the engine. Since the manifold and ports seem large (larger than the throttle bore, and since the cam only opens the valves about a dinky .25" or so...lack of "cam" was my theory. More timing might help, but I worry about stress on the crank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1910Hupp Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I agree its probably lack of cam . I do have a recast inlet Manifold on it with the complicated passages inherent in those so hope that there is not an internal obstruction there . I guess i should take the manifold off and check the passages are ok by probing them . I guess I would look pretty stupid if there was some core sand still left in there -Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1910Hupp Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 On 8/3/2019 at 3:20 PM, Tom400CFI said: I'm not sure why you're getting gasoline (vapor?) coming from the carb at WOT; it should be sucking it all in. But IMO when you get good throttle sensitivity at low throttle angles and none at high, then that means the that the throttle bore is too big for the rest of the engine. Since the manifold and ports seem large (larger than the throttle bore, and since the cam only opens the valves about a dinky .25" or so...lack of "cam" was my theory. More timing might help, but I worry about stress on the crank. Tom I think I've worked out the issue . Last night I started the car up to move it to get to some parts . In the dark I could see something like the 4th July going on the front of the magneto . The spark plug wires were shorting out between each other . I suspect this sometimes was causing partial ignition in a cylinder at the wrong time ie with the inlet valve still open and the resulting pressure wave out the inlet manifold was pushing gas out of the carb. Some Insulating tape and there is a much smoother engine and no gas vapour out the bottom of the carb. Karl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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