Grandpa Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Photo taken in Pomona California.Grandpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 On the right is a Winton from about 1903. In the middle looks to be a Duryea also about 1903. These had a really wierd control system, all done with a single 'joystick' - steering included. Behind the Winton is a 1903 White steamer. The one on the left is still a mystery at this stage. I wonder if any more of these had their picture taken that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintman Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Didn't Duryea have transverse springs? Also seems to have a forward rad? Shades of Clement Panhard, but for the rad and if it had a central pivot. Large back wheel,- buckboard-ey?RegardsVintman (UK)www.svvs.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 It was the lack of an obvious steering wheel or tiller that led me to think Duryea. My copy of The Standard Catalog of American Cars has several pics of Duryeas - one can only assume that they are correctly identified - and it would appear that almost no two were the same. Some early ones have a transverse front spring, some have full elliptics and this one http://www.papasbarn.com/duryea/myphoto1.gif has quarter elliptics. There is one pic in the Standard Catalog of a car with a front mounted radiator. There was a restored example of one of these in NZ some years ago. It is the central control system that I especially remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 There is a whole lot more Duryea stuff on this page http://www.papasbarn.com/duryea/pagea.html which I haven't yet looked at. Maybe the answer is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 It has just occurred to me why this pic looks odd. It has been printed back to front. Both the car on the left and the Winton on the right appear to have left hand drive whereas they were right hand drive in this era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Here's a Duryea very similar to the one in this pic. http://www.papasbarn.com/duryea/mike04s.htmlThe car on the left might be an Autocar, but that is only a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl B. Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 nzcarnerd, is this better? B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Thanks. It doesn't make the cars any easier to identify but it does now look the way it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Is the car on the right (bottom photo) another Tourist? Looks like the one in another thread but without the hood mounted horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slightmiss Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 looks more like a 2 or 3 Arrow car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 Does this help?Grandpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 That is a nice clear pic Grandpa - thanks. I ran this by the HCFI Library who thought it might be an Autocar but checking the pics in The Standard Catalog it can't be, as Autocar was still using a form of tiller steering in 1904 and then went straight to left hand drive. As well the Autocars of this era had fewer but larger louvres on the hood sides. As far as I can work out there was no Arrow car in '02/'03. The car at the top left of this last pic might be an early Pierce but then again it could be any one of many makes who aped the Mercedes/Fiat style radiator. I am guessing this picture was taken in 1904? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Is it possible to get a closeup of the badge on the radiator? It will be a blur but we might see what shape it is. And maybe also whatever is hanging on the front crossmember, just to the right of the crankhandle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 Hi nzcarnerd,Blurred close-up. The object on the cross member may be a leather crank handle holder.Grandpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Napier or American Napier are the first cars that come to mind based on that radiator shape.If you Google 1904 Napier Images a few photos will pop up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Here are some 1904 Napiers - http://www.brighton-early.com/napier.html - you can see that the radiator shape is quite different to that in this pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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