Steve Braverman Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Is a 1918 LcLaughlin identical to a Buick, or are there differences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Steve, The basic car is the same with mostly subtile body and upholstry trim changes made by McLaughlin in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Thriller Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 It was about 1918 that the change was made from McLaughlin to McLaughlin-Buick. From 1908 to 1918 (ten year contract), McLaughlin built the bodies on Buick chassis and driveline. When that contract came up, Sam McLaughlin sold to form GM of Canada, with Sam at its helm. At that point, the name of the marque changed and they were more closely aligned with Buick, although there were still differences, primarily in trim and other smaller items, while the bodies and underpinnings were effectively the same.So, if your car has McLaughlin badging and not McLaughlin-Buick, then it is either at the end of the McLaughlin run or perhaps they carried over leftover badging that they had.I'm working from memory of what I read in August at the Canadian Automobile Museum in Oshawa...it is quite possible my memory leaks like a Dynaflow, so take this with a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DaveCorbin Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Dear Steve: If you post the McLaughlin serial number, I can confirm exact year. Regard, Dave Corbin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Braverman Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 I think I am going to pass on this McLaughlin, but the car appears to be very different from the 1919 Buick I looked at last week. It has conventional semi-elliptic springs in back, and the engine has a separate starter and generator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Steve, It was common for McLaughlin Buicks to have components from the year before or after the year of manufacture. Many believe that Buick USA would export chassis with whatever they had on hand during the month it was exported. This seems true for mid-year model changes too.So, it is not uncommon for an export car to have features from newer models or left-overs from a previous model year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfair Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 (edited) If it a "Light Six", it will have a seperate generator and starter. This particular model was badged "Mclaughlin" only and had virtually no Buick parts used. Edited April 2, 2011 by sfair (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Braverman Posted November 9, 2008 Author Share Posted November 9, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sfair</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it a "Light Six", it will have a seperate generator and starter. This particular model was badged "Mclaughlin" only and had virtually no Buick parts used. Was a hodgepodge of assembled parts. </div></div>Thank you. That makes a lot of sense. After looking at photos of this thing, it does not really look anything like a Buick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Braverman Posted November 29, 2008 Author Share Posted November 29, 2008 Okay, I found another McLaughlin for sale. This time it's a 1927 Standard Six. Is this one basically identical to an American Buick? I don't even see any McLauglin badges on it, but the seller is advertising it as a McLaughlin-Buick.I'm not looking for a McLaughlin per se, but they keep turning up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 Steve, You really can't go wrong with a late 20s Buick! There is a 27 Buick group on Yahoo that is very active and informative on these models. Fred Rawling (in S.California) also seems to have lots of parts & is very helpful in keeping these old girls going.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Thriller Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 By 1927, it should essentially be a Buick, but with McLaughlin-Buick badging...hub caps, radiator badge for sure. There might be some other slight differences, but it would be essentially the same. One thing about a McLaughlin-Buick is that if you have it judged, any minor differences can be chalked up as Canadian versus American cars. That doesn't work in the BCA without documentation, but that's pretty scarce these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge1934 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Twhile this is largely a dead topic the drive train on the light six is the same as Oakland model 34B in 1919. the mclaughlin model for 1919 was H63.. i think 1918 was E 63At the time it was said to be lb for lb the fastest production car on the road said to go 55 mph.... There is always a side stroy about the whiskey 6 used by the rum runners in western Canada... it is unclear to me if they were talking about the little 6 or the big six but to me it seems to make more sense that the little six was the car of choice... there were a good number of both in western Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrZipp Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I have a 1921 McLaughlin and a 1921 Buick, both tourings, so I can tell you that the dashes are the most significant and noticable difference of the two cars. It is really neat to show them side by side. I have learned many stories from the old timers about the MsLaughlins and how Buick resented them at the early American auto shows. Jerry D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tblack Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 That 1918 Mc Laughlin probably had I think they called the Norstar engine...It was not made by buick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfair Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 That 1918 Mc Laughlin probably had I think they called the Norstar engine...It was not made by buickEngine made by "Northway". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfair Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Just as a note, I have heard of the Northway engine refered to as " The Blizzard Six"because of the generator being gear driven off of the camshaft. It really makes a howling noise when it is running...just like a nasty cold north wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge1934 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I`ve only had a ride in one 1919 light 6 and mine isn`t running yet. the one I did ride in sounded fine. The long stroke and the lack of oil rings in the original engine would seem to be significant issues. I`ll keep everyone posted when mine is running but if you have copies of anything in print from the time to support any sorting out of these two engines it would be appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfair Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) I`ve only had a ride in one 1919 light 6 and mine isn`t running yet. the one I did ride in sounded fine. The long stroke and the lack of oil rings in the original engine would seem to be significant issues. Stand in front or to the side of the engine with it running... you will hear it. Edited April 2, 2011 by sfair (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriller Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I`ve only had a ride in one 1919 light 6 and mine isn`t running yet. the one I did ride in sounded fine. The long stroke and the lack of oil rings in the original engine would seem to be significant issues. I`ll keep everyone posted when mine is running but if you have copies of anything in print from the time to support any sorting out of these two engines it would be appreciatedTwo places I can think of to check would be the Buick Heritage Alliance and GM of Canada archives. The archivist wouldn't have specifics, but they may be able to supply some information. A lot of the early records are at Queen's University in Kingston, ON. Dave Corbin has visited there and would be able to give a better idea of what they have there. Have you tried online searches? There are a couple of sites working toward scanning a variety of old literature, but I can't speak to how much McLaughlin information they would have.Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfair Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I`ve only had a ride in one 1919 light 6 and mine isn`t running yet. the one I did ride in sounded fine. The long stroke and the lack of oil rings in the original engine would seem to be significant issues. I`ll keep everyone posted when mine is running but if you have copies of anything in print from the time to support any sorting out of these two engines it would be appreciatedWhat "two" engines are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge1934 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Stand in front or to the side of the engine with it running... you will hear it.Did your engine have the stamped steel oil splash guard between the crank and pistons? Does it have 2 or 3 bolts holding down the rocker arm shafts?The engine has stamped steel splash guards but I thought they were below the crank shaft but the engine is in a very cold place just now...The rocker arm bases are held in place by 2 bolts. both shafts and the rockers themselves have been bored and sleeved.The push rod bases have 3 maybe 4 bolts holding them in place... they weren`t handy to look atwhy do you ask?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriller Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I live in Alberta, too. What "two" engines are you speaking of???So, is this going to turn into an Eskimos / Stampeders or Oilers / Flames thing? They're all better than the Blue Bumblers and the Jets Now back to your regularly scheduled 1918 McLaughlin topic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ewing Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 So, is this going to turn into an Eskimos / Stampeders or Oilers / Flames thing? They're all better than the Blue Bumblers Blue Bumblers Gee go easy on my team. While the Winnipeg Blue Bombers are presently not in the same 'league' as the stampeders, the Saskatchewan Roughriders have taken to honour as making the dumbest play ever, and giving the victory in the championship game away with a too many men on the field call, on the last play of the game, to give the opponents a second chance to make a missed field goal, and give up the game, with no time left on the clock. Forever taking the crown!Go Riders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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