Dave Mitchell
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30 Rollston
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A couple of earlier cars - Van Den Plas convertible victoria, Derham convertible sedan, 745 Dietrich sedan, 33 12 Dietrich convertible victoria
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Another town car - this one a 38 120 Franay
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I found this on the net - does anyone know what it is?
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I look forward to seeing what you come up with in the other 70%.
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The 41 at Bahre's is a Bohman & Schwartz on a 160 chassis. They did a lwb 40 that Bill Snyder in CA owns, originally built for Mr. Williams of shaving cream fame. They did 3 41s on speculation and one was destroyed in a road accident in the 40s, the other two survive. I really like those, as well as the 40. I think both 41s have been updated to 180s, but the body tags indicate that they started life as 160s.
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Too bad he won't show the 37 dual cowl, that is an interesting car. Didn't the White House have a regular phaeton like that which later burned?
Judge Cassini has some great cars. Dave Kane too. Do you have any photos from his collection?
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Another town car - it seems like very few of these survived. Also a showroom photo of a Dietrich convertible victoria.
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West, I am guessing that the owner of the victoria won't stay secret for long. I am sure Dale will do a great job on it. I had heard that he wanted to restore it.
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Is the 34 LeBaron boat tail the Bohman & Schwartz modified Gable car before restoration?
Please keep the photos coming. I definitely enjoy them. I think the wane was due to Christmas.
I like the 32 - 34 Dietrichs a lot, I know of 3 34 runabout/coupe roadsters, not sure I would paint one that shade of green, but still a great car. Of the three, I like the dark red one the best in terms of color. I will look for a photo of that one.
Al - no I have never seen a bad Waterhouse. They did some great cars. Too bad more don't survive - like the Rolls they did with roll up walnut shutters for the windows.
Where is the 38 Rollston dual cowl now?
I too like the 41 LeBarons, both sport broughams and 7passenger sedans/limos.
I have never seen the 37 dual cowl that I recall - nice car. Where is it now? I love the 35/36 dual cowls. Big, elegant, sporty, clean lines, look good top up or down. What do you say Al?
The Derham 845 is an interesting car, well built with good lines. I think there are a couple around. It was tough to top the production "body by Packard" 745 roadster though.
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Interesting door panel treatment on the 34/35 coupe. What are the instruments in the glove box doors? The defroster deflector became what was used in 37. I never saw that heater before - what is it? Who has that car now? Did Joe Cassini own it after Arturo Keller? I haven't seen it for a few years.
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This looks like 38/39 junior. The 40 is completely different and the center is part of the shutter assembly from 40 - 42. 41 doesn't have this part at all, the hood sides come all the way to the shutters and the lower part is the fender. Both 40 and 41 have the side grills, but the set up is different.
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Wow, I am impressed. Good story. I never pushed my 37 120 that hard, but it was a sedan. Did the convertible sedan have high speed rear axle gears?
I did run alongside an M5 BMW for a while just at and sometimes a little over 100 on a deserted stretch of three lane interstate in my 46 2106 club sedan with radials and overdrive. He had sort of looked at me like I didn't belong on the interstate when he pulled up next to me. I waved and he just shrugged, didn't wave and sped up. I sped up too and ran his speed for a few miles. He finally looked over very surprised that I was there and sheepishly waved. I backed off, of course his car was a lot faster, but at least he knew that it wasn't a 45 mph car. I don't know how accurate the speedo was on the 46 either, but it was nice and stable at higher speed. It would run 70 all day and not get hot or seem to be straining.
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With all the talk about overdrives and high speed rear axles, I was wondering if anyone had stories to tell about getting a speeding ticket in a Packard. What model, how fast, how long ago? Even a warning...
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Brunn laudaulet town car
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A 32 Twin Six in the snow. I think this is a Waterhouse, but I can't find the original photo with notes on the back.
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West, who owns the 34 convertible victoria now and who is restoring it? Are they aiming for Pebble this year? It will be fun to see that car done.
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Phil Hill had the 3.56s made up years ago. You need to do some modification to make them work, and they are hard to find. I put a set in my 37 and it was nice.
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The Derham and Dietrich are both good looking sedans. I have a photo of a Waterhouse Twin Six sedan - I will see if I can find it and post it.
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The bumper guards on the 39 Rollson in the auction photo may be correct - they are the 2 bar type, but the 3 bar ones look like 41/2 juniors.
It would be fun to see the LeBaron conv victoria done someday - last I heard the price was over $2 million and it needs to be restored.
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When I met Chris Bohman, he told me that they did a fair amount of work for customers who bought Darrins and needed to have them fixed so that the doors stayed closed going over railroad tracks and other pesky details like that. They also built similar body styles for people who wanted better quality. That said, I think that the best looking Darrins are the Hollywood cars.
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The Rollston landaulet is really interesting and looks to be nicely restored. I haven't seen it in person, but the wrong front bumper guards are a little jarring. That said, I really like 38/39s, and I like to see the customs on those chassis also.
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Wow, that Graber convertible sedan is great, I like it better than the victorias - very elegant and the design works well with the Packard front clip - every bit as good as a Maybach. Where is that car? Do you remember the silver LeBaron sport brougham from when Dick Haeberle owned it?
Custom bodied Packards
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I have had the Pfau book for years. It is a great book. I was lucky to find a one off car that is in there. I knew instantly what car it was when I heard about it because of the photo in "The Coachbuilt Packard". It would be fun to do a new book on the same theme.
I think the owner of the town car left it as original as possible and just redid what had to be done.