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    1930 V16 Cadillac roadster

    in "Not Mine" Automobiles For Sale

    Posted · Edited by Cadillac Fan (see edit history)

    1 hour ago, edinmass said:

    Cadillac did a lot of strange things.......for many different reasons. Since it’s a 16 every bit of information is available if you dig hard enough. One off and experimental or prototype Cadillacs actually have much less following than most people realize. When it comes to owning a Cadillac.........most of the guys want “what one would expect”..............the strange and special built units usually have awkward angles, things that just don’t look good to a trained eye, and overall are just disconcerting. While the “strange” cars are a bunch of fun to look at and research...........give me a plain production V-16 Roadster.........they are good enough for me.

    I agree.  Even if done at the factory and the only 42xx/43xx convertible coupe I don’t think a premium would be paid.
     

    I would choose a “plain” production sport phaeton if ordering new. 

     

    The history of what actually happened is interesting, even if no additional value can be derived from it. 

    1930 V16 Cadillac roadster

    in "Not Mine" Automobiles For Sale

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    1 hour ago, rwchatham said:


    Ed im sure you are correct , it was missing its cowl tag would that hurt its value or not really a big deal ? 

    That is interesting as this car  (the combination of 42xx style convertible coupe body with 43xx sills) was, according to the Cadillac Database, not made.  (Yes, I know that is not definitive).  But it would give me pause.  
     

     

    see discussion under 4235:

     

    https://www.newcadillacdatabase.org/Historical/Automobiles/V16
     

     

     

    1941 Cadillac series 62 - $38,500 (plant city)

    in "Not Mine" Automobiles For Sale

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    9 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

     

    Thanks for the good research, Cadillac man.

    Evidently this very car sold for $31,900 at

    RM-Sotheby's 2021 Hershey auction. 

     

    When all those car fans assembled at the auction

    bid UP TO $31,900--and others bid less--that

    pretty clearly says the car may not be worth $38,500.

    I believe that a well publicized auction is retail.  But there is a cottage industry of dealers who purchase cars at well known auctions and seem to turn a profit.  ( though some of their cars sit for years and years). 

     

    It surprises me, as I would think most people in the hobby are aware of the major car auctions and would just bid the car past the dealer.  As opposed to paying the dealers profit at a later date. 
     

    I am not anti-dealer, I just don’t understand paying more for something that was publicly available in the last month or year.  

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    Seeking insight into re-homing a classic car (ie selling a 1989 Cordoba)

    in General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by Cadillac Fan (see edit history)

    1 hour ago, John_S_in_Penna said:

    Seeing the pictures now, I think the $10,000 price

    wasn't unrealistic.  If I were selling it, I would perhaps

    ask $9000 and be prepared gradually to go down to

    $6000.  In today's strong market, you may not have to

    go down that far.

     

    The car on Bring-a-Trailer that evidently sold for $24,000

    went very high.  It had only 8000 miles and was in the

    popular color of red with a white top.  Low-mileage cars

    shouldn't bring such a big premium, but someone must

    have thought it was worthwhile.

    Things are crazy.  Three years ago this was an $18-20k car. 
     

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-cadillac-brougham-21/
     

     

     

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    1949 Cadillac coupe street rodded

    in Automotive Legislation

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    Why street rod a nice (non rusty) complete car?   Because it makes financial sense.  My guess is that the bill was at least $400k to build it. ( could be over a million).   Why pay someone $100-250 an hour to fix up a rusty junker and add 6 months to the project.    Waste of time and money when you can get a nice car to start with for $30-50k. 
     

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    1932 Packard Twin Six Convertible Coupe, rumble seat 62K - rebuilt engine

    in "Not Mine" Automobiles For Sale

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    25 minutes ago, alsancle said:

     

    Clark Gable is in the same group with Hitler,  Goering,  Jack Dempsey, Rudolph Valentino and others.   About 10 cars are attributed to their ownership for every one they actually owned.   And yes, I realize Hitler owned zero.

    Yes, but I think that the difference between the two prices is primarily that the “Clark Gable” car is believed to be an authentic twin six and not an assembly of parts.   Maybe not. 
     

     

     

    Let’s start conversation about a huge style change in GM cars between 1958 and 1959.

    in General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by Cadillac Fan (see edit history)

    1 hour ago, 58L-Y8 said:

    The public outlook was clearly different then:

    1949: 1.04M

    1950: 1.37M

    1951:  1.25M

    1952:  827K

    1953: 1.35M

    1954: 1.15M

    Production numbers, Standard Catalogue of American Cars, 1946-1975, Edited by John Gunnell.

    Ford out sold them in 1949, the first year of the design.   Post war America you could sell anything new.  

    Regardless, a Toyota Camry is generally the top selling “car” over the last 20 years.  That does not make it a wonderfully stylish car.  Quite the opposite.  
     

    Styling is an OPINION.   Everyone has one. 

     

     

    Juan Manuel Fangio’s Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Is For Sale

    in General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by Cadillac Fan (see edit history)

    I don’t get paying $100 million plus for a Damien Hirst skull. 
     

    I don’t get paying $2 million for a lead sled by some backyard customizers.  
     

    I don’t get paying $2 million for a dead actor’s 930 turbo.   
     

    But I know there are those that think these things are worth more than the sum of their parts.  

    Is there a difference between the v16 Cadillac with the reproduction roadster body and a factory v16 roadster?  To most everyone they are the same car.  But the history of the factory bodied car adds value. 

     

    That is the case here.  The history of ownership adds value. F1 has a world wide audience and is growing.  Plus the world is awash with money.  
     

    I don’t think it will be stratospheric, but 3-5 times what a similar one would go for.  And less than an alloy gullwing. 
     

    It will certainly be less that the $30 million paid, 9 years ago, for the Mercedes w196, a car he won the championship in (1954). 

     

    My guess is that it ends up in Canada next to a 275 NART.

     

     

     

     

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