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20 minutes ago, edinmass said:
Cadillac Fan…….it’s as plain as the nose on your face. Read that as typical auction verbiage. Clear and pure like a bucket of hot tar.
Yes, but “the car retains its original engine” seems to be an intentional misrepresentation. Usually they dance on the line. This seems like they stepped over the line.
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Just now, alsancle said:
A lot of people were getting wet. We had two rain days out of ten, both times for about an hour. Not bad. We were cozy in our business coupe.
If you were purchasing a car only for the great race, what would you look for? Or what make/model do you think would make an ideal car?
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On 2/5/2022 at 7:00 PM, Cadillac Fan said:
Reproduction body, but this equates to about $175k.
I would have figured $75-100k more.
Think the broad arrow group, former RM ers, can get $500k for this car 6 months later?
https://www.broadarrowauctions.com/vehicles/016/1930-cadillac-v-16-roadster
Three roadsters are being sold in Monterey this year, one “real.”
this is a very confusing paragraph:
The roadster offered here was meticulously restored with an original V-16 engine no. 702014. According to its build sheet, a copy of which is on file, this engine was originally mated to style no. 4361S club sedan body supplied to a buyer in Chicago. It was later owned by Wayne Merriman, a prolific early Cadillac V-16 collector and historian from Kansas. The present roadster body was built to the original style no. 4302 by the well-known craftsman Dick Kingston for Cadillac V-16 collector Walt Dietzel of Oklahoma. Inspection of the car today shows that per the build sheet the car retains its original engine, with correct motor and unit numbers, as well as the original transmission; the frame number is not discernible but is believed to be from another car.
the body is not original. The frame is from “another car.” The motor is from a sedan other than the car the frame is from. Yet “the car retains its original engine.” Which car?
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4 hours ago, rocketraider said:
Will each powerplant drive its own set of wheels? How will they be synchronized to each other?
Shades of the Hurst Hairy Oldsmobile. I don't think they ever got those two Toronado drivetrains to play well together. As Hairy's driver Joe Schubeck often said "Hairy went where Hairy wanted to go".
Now imagine handling a Corvette with a gas drivetrain on one end and an electric one on the other, when the power and torque curves aren't perfectly or even near-perfectly synchronized.
Yes. It will be similar to a Toyota Sienna minivan awd. Except in the minivan the electric motor drives the rear wheels.
see also Ferrari sf90.
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3 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:
In the 2016 topic to which I linked above,
someone from "Classic Car Deals" did appear
and explain his operation. He claimed to have
approval from the 1000+ owners he represented.
Whether that's true, I can't say. For example, why
would he be advertising for a dealer when the dealer
also has his own ad, for the very same car with the
very same pictures, on the same website?
He is trolling for someone with more money than time.
here is one example:
Vs
https://www.classiccardeals.com/Listing/296321/1959-Cadillac-Series-62.aspx
This is the same car (both pictures have the same red non authentic interior).
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I am with the majority.
20 years ago I would have suggested the “hybrid “ path of 35 bottom end with 36 top end.
But today I would want the best running option, especially for a pre ww2 car under say $150/100k.
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3 hours ago, SC38dls said:
There would be no list. Only Bugatti.
What aboutStudebaker !
dave sStudebaker didn’t make the cut of 12.
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Also rolls Royce is owned by BMW. Bentley is owned by VW. They should be separated if you are including the current offerings.
What are your thoughts on companies that made great pre ww2 cars, but have made junk since. There are a few on your list.
put another way, what new car from the manufacturers listed would you buy today?
hard to think of Jaguar over the last 25 years as high quality. (S-type, x type- chains tensioner issues) Same with Alfa. Or Ford ( small car transmissions. Infamous 5.4 death rattle).
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3 minutes ago, joe_padavano said:
I think you need one more qualification on the list:
6. Did not prostitute itself by selling an SUV model.
There would be no list. Only Bugatti.
Bugatti of the last 20 years, while producing unbelievable modern cars, has absolutely nothing to do with the original company.
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On 4/3/2022 at 6:10 PM, Cadillac Fan said:
If RM sold a 25 year old restoration reproduction roadster for $175k, what will this go for?
The dealer in AZ was asking $900k last year. It was down to $750k early this year?
Any guesses?
mine: hammer at $460k
Worldwide auctioneers just sold this reproduction v16 roadster for a hammer price of $685k.
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This same yellow 38-75 convertible sedan just sold at worldwide auctioneers for a hammer of $72,500. Plus 12 percent.
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On 4/7/2022 at 1:38 PM, John_Mereness said:
Well, not all things come to a good end via being spotted this week in Hong Kong (and the once awesome Ferrari 330 in front of it was not the better) - for a car that probably only had been wet a dozen times in its life and equally spent its life in half million to million dollar garages with such as heat and A/C. A shame someone would buy something and move it around the glob to put it in harms way !
Very tough to see.
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50 minutes ago, rwchatham said:
Here is a factory photo showing the v16 on the G building roof .
Great photo and great car. I hope it gets restored.
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1 hour ago, edinmass said:
Cadillac did a lot of strange things.......for many different reasons. Since it’s a 16 every bit of information is available if you dig hard enough. One off and experimental or prototype Cadillacs actually have much less following than most people realize. When it comes to owning a Cadillac.........most of the guys want “what one would expect”..............the strange and special built units usually have awkward angles, things that just don’t look good to a trained eye, and overall are just disconcerting. While the “strange” cars are a bunch of fun to look at and research...........give me a plain production V-16 Roadster.........they are good enough for me.
I agree. Even if done at the factory and the only 42xx/43xx convertible coupe I don’t think a premium would be paid.
I would choose a “plain” production sport phaeton if ordering new.
The history of what actually happened is interesting, even if no additional value can be derived from it.
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1 hour ago, rwchatham said:
Ed im sure you are correct , it was missing its cowl tag would that hurt its value or not really a big deal ?That is interesting as this car (the combination of 42xx style convertible coupe body with 43xx sills) was, according to the Cadillac Database, not made. (Yes, I know that is not definitive). But it would give me pause.
see discussion under 4235:
https://www.newcadillacdatabase.org/Historical/Automobiles/V16
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2 hours ago, rwchatham said:
This v16 just went for 300k
Interesting car. Looks like a mix between 4335 straight sill but with a 4235 body (which should have the curved sills).
Mecum sold a 4235 in similar colors earlier this year.
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If RM sold a 25 year old restoration reproduction roadster for $175k, what will this go for?
The dealer in AZ was asking $900k last year. It was down to $750k early this year?
Any guesses?
mine: hammer at $460k
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9 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:
Thanks for the good research, Cadillac man.
Evidently this very car sold for $31,900 at
RM-Sotheby's 2021 Hershey auction.
When all those car fans assembled at the auction
bid UP TO $31,900--and others bid less--that
pretty clearly says the car may not be worth $38,500.
I believe that a well publicized auction is retail. But there is a cottage industry of dealers who purchase cars at well known auctions and seem to turn a profit. ( though some of their cars sit for years and years).
It surprises me, as I would think most people in the hobby are aware of the major car auctions and would just bid the car past the dealer. As opposed to paying the dealers profit at a later date.
I am not anti-dealer, I just don’t understand paying more for something that was publicly available in the last month or year.
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1 hour ago, John_S_in_Penna said:
Seeing the pictures now, I think the $10,000 price
wasn't unrealistic. If I were selling it, I would perhaps
ask $9000 and be prepared gradually to go down to
$6000. In today's strong market, you may not have to
go down that far.
The car on Bring-a-Trailer that evidently sold for $24,000
went very high. It had only 8000 miles and was in the
popular color of red with a white top. Low-mileage cars
shouldn't bring such a big premium, but someone must
have thought it was worthwhile.
Things are crazy. Three years ago this was an $18-20k car.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-cadillac-brougham-21/
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I bet that if you put it on bring a trailer, in the next month, you will get north of $10k.
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A text message while out sorting a car….and another car adventure begins….
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Posted · Edited by Cadillac Fan (see edit history)
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