B Jake Moran

Stop posting 63s Leif!

I understand that sentiment but Elvis was an icon beyond his last years.

It’s not for sale deac. Not a real ad.

It's OK. So, I used to have a rule of 10%. It's non scientific, but was based on some research some of us car guys did about 30 years ago. We figured that 25% of the cars production, whatever car, was gone in the 1st 4 years. This being a pre war model right at the war, maybe the survival rate was higher initially. So let's say 6 years for this 1941 model, since some were bound to be traded in post WW2. 771 x .75 = 578 cars left in 1947. After this initial period, another 25% gone in the next 5 years, in other words, roughly 50% of the cars production gone in 10 years, more or less, with 10% per decade after that until it reaches collector status. That would have 386 of these left in both series at about 1951. The 50's were the era of planned obsolescence. I have 347 by 1960, 312 by 1970, and about 280 by 1980. By the late 70's these would be considered collectible I would think, but remember - this includes ALL cars including those in ravines, junk yards, backyards, etc. We were in a statistics class, and using data from national records. Remember the old ads touting 75% of all Chevy trucks are still on the road, or similar claims. Today it is hard to imagine that perhaps 50 of these Business Coupes exist from 1941, but I would say the number would be 50-100.

No , no cruising as is, and yes I agree that the New Yorkers are too rare, unless someone else has restored it. I don't know, but I like the Dodge front end more than the Plymouth, a bit less than the Chrysler Windsor.

Like most of us, I too love the 1962 Wildcats and this one is likely set up nicely. I am not an AC fan, except in my daily modern car, but on older cars they usually "just need a charge $$$" and so I would rather just have one with no AC, as this does. The ad is horrible, but if the interior in white is otherwise saveable and can be cleaned up, then this car is modestly overpriced. My issue is the one photo with the seam split on the bucket seat. These early 60's seats in vinyl had embossing which has to be insanely difficult to duplicate. I suppose SMS has the ability but the cost in both time and money has to be prohibitive. That seat foam, sitting in Oregon under a cover for 40 + years has to be crunchy. Maybe the back seat can be left alone or refoamed. I will say this, white is AWESOME! as an interior choice both for it's uniqueness and cooling effect in a non AC car. I also had heard that quite a few Wildcats had the vinyl roof covering and this one appears both intact and saveable, from the poor photos at least. I normally am not a fan of vinyl tops but let's face it, that is what makes a 1962 Wildcat unique, as to my knowledge, years after 1962 saw few vinyl roofs on Wildcats, and with those 1st year Holls additions of emblems on the C Pillar, it looks good. The body color of that dark maroon is a good choice to me. I would repaint it, I just can't live with that tired old paint. Chrome is probably fine, and to redo the chrome just to get it 10% better would put someone back at least $3,000 on the bumpers. I really question the "2,000 made" common statement about 1962 Wildcats. I have seen a lot over the years for sale, for being 62 years old now. But I am sure they are rare. Who's buying it! This guy is likely a flipper. He is stubbornly trying to exact a high return. But still, it speaks to a slow market when he has not sold after all these months.

Hello Jack: I appreciate all commentary, I am not thin skinned so I appreciate your thoughts regarding motive and purpose. I assure you that his mom and my wife and I engaged him to see if his interest was real and it is. It may wain, but he is in a program for auto body now, and seems interested in that as a career. He is a senior in high school, works a part time job, and is not overweight. There are a lot of kids much taller and bigger then I remember when I was growing up. He works on their farm, where they have horses, cows, and other livestock. He mows that large hobby farm grass area. He used to help his dad before he passed away restoring farm tractors, as that was his dad's hobby. There are several around. However, I am not "into" farm tractors and would not have as much skill set restoring those. We did not push this on him, nor would we push him if he chooses to not be as involved. However, there are skills he can learn assisting us in the restoration that can carry over to his work in auto body. Again, I appreciate your perspective. It's hard to truly convey a story in a forum, so perhaps I did not do a great job. We are set to pick the car up in Minnesota on Sunday and it will be dropped off at the farm Sunday. I am not farting around on getting on it, we will begin next week.

Interestingly, 80% of the colors offered in 1981 are metallic. That leaves Black, White, Red and Bright Yellow. I can't see us choosing yellow. Black would work, because it has a black interior but again, with T Tops I was considering changing the interior color. Red might work. It looks a bit darker not bright Red. I need to find one on the Internet.

After seeing so many cars in brown, black, silver, etc, I like the occasional splash of color. I don't mind Aqua or Turquoise. What I fail to understand about these "free" Facebook marketplace ads is why the sellers don't price adjust after 5 months? Or do a new ad. I guess some sellers don't understand that facebook is about selling ads and if no one can see your ad, they can't see facebook's ads. Have you ever "saved" something on marketplace, later delete it, then perhaps regret that decision, and go back to "find it"? I do, and it hardly ever comes back into my search/feed.

Marketplace - 1975 Lincoln Continental · Mark IV | Facebook Seller's Description 1975 Lincoln Continental Mark IV. Only 65,000 miles! Garage kept, new brakes, transmission work, new paint, chrome polished, leather conditioned! Gorgeous car, runs great, practically floats down the highway. Power windows, power seats, power locks, cruise control, air conditioning, the works! Asking $10,000 OBO

Most of us like these Mopar 42-48 3 window cars because they are different. If I had a chance to buy one, I prefer the Chrysler Windsor 6 cyl and grille, the New Yorker is the most desirable but that 8 cyl is expensive to rebuild and parts are harder to get. Now, this one obviously needs a seat, appears to missing door panels and carpet. Needs pretty much a complete restoration. While all restorations are expensive and economically unfeasible, perhaps this one costs a few bucks less, given it's Dodge 6 cylinder status and failrly low chromage.

(1) Marketplace - 1947 Dodge coupe | Facebook 7 Dodge Coupe. Runs good. Starts drives and stops. Cruise as is, or a nice start to a project.

Marketplace - 1949 Oldsmobile 98 | Facebook 1949 Oldsmobile 98. NO TITLE. Pretty solid and pretty straight car. Bought for parts car but to good to part out. Has rust in Floors and in front corners of quarters. Motor is apart and pieces are in the car. Has dent in right front fender and hit in rear bumper. These are all the pics I have and not going to take a bunch. If interested come look at it. Car is located in vandalia,mo

Thank you. Yes I know it’s a mess and this is a typical stupid seller on Facebook marketplace but it’s kind of fun to still be finding these cars. What’s the wheelbase? Sure would be nice to see the data plate. 1st thing I would do is dump that stupid gas tank.

Does anyone know what model this is? Sidemounts on a 1940 Buick? No photos of the engine, but could this be a Model 81 or so? I am kind of guessing because I no longer know my model numbers by heart. However, I thought 1940 was the 1st year for a Super 4 door which - for lack of a better comparison - emulated the Cadillac 60S, with a thick B Pillar, and true trunk, like the Roadmaster. So the sellers odd description of it being a 1940 Super 8 Limited is confusing. What do you experts think this car is?

Marketplace - 1940 Buick Super 8 limited | Facebook Seller's Description I DONT HAVE TO SELL. NOT COMING OFF THE PRICE RUNS AND DRIVES AND STOPS WILL NEED TRAILERED CAR IS ALL ORIGINAL except has a brand new fuel cell and fuel lines Needs a radiator, and tires

Really poor photos BUT IF the description and photos are correct, then cars like this should end any talk of restoring a car.

Marketplace - 1937 Pontiac deluxe | Facebook 1937 Pontiac Deluxe · Sedan · Driven 41,000 miles Very clean running driver car is worth a look no disappointments.

I will certainly remember that, thanks.

It's not an antique. But the club needs to use an arbitrary number for membership, and 25 years from manufacture seems as good as any. I would not confuse the name of the club with that meaning the club believes a 25 year old car is an antique.

I am in agreement with you. If that V12 is well sorted, the work is documented, etc, then it would be easy pickings for another Continental owner, probably back to the late 1930's. And, I can't tell you how many times I have seen post war Continentals with modern V8's in the past 25 years. The sellers always say the car is restored. Groan.

I don’t think it took to the 1942 restyle well.

Yes, it makes me wonder if it’s a scam. Windsors with the 300 Cross Ram motor? Interior looks perfect, as with paint and has the 50s era wire wheels?

I think that’s light tan but hard to tell. Seat pattern is correct.

Bringing this topic back up and will transition to the Me and My Car section. After a lot of looking and consideration, my wife and I have decided to purchase a 1981 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 as the project car to do with Ashton, the 18 year old young man. I don't have photos yet, but here is what it was - Back Story: Last August when I started to look on Facebook marketplace for a regional project car for Ashton and I to work on, I inherently saved quite a few cars. Some sold, and a seller up in Minnesota had an orange 1981 Camaro Z28 with T Tops for $3000. We negotiated that he would sell it to me for $2200 "without the wheels" or $2800 with the wheels. Then he dropped the ad and put the car away for winter. I saw that it had dropped off, and messaged him. He said he pulled it for winter, but the messaging kept a contact with him. Throughout winter I looked at basically either a bunch of junk, over priced junk or even decent projects or figured out that my broad paint brush interests in older cars did not match Mr. Gamers interests. (He really likes my 2007 Miata) Finally his mom Jen, who owns the hobby farm where we will do the restoration and is a widower 2 years out, stopped by to help my wife with a house project and I showed them photos and had just gotten the 1981 Camaro brochure to show them. Their enthusiasm went through the roof. Now - my wife owns a Shock colored 2020 SS Camaro with the 6.2L V8, 6 speed and very loud Borla exhaust. Her friend Jen owns a 2021 Camaro SS convertible in triple black, so..... The 1981 Z28 was originally Silver with Black interior from the factory, with factory T Tops, is a 350 automatic and all 1981 Z28's had a 3.42 rear axle and this one is open. Somewhere the previous owner painted it a factory Orange Metallic and the seller added the factory correct Camaro 5 spoke wheels from Classic Industries for $600, which is why he was firm at $2800 if the wheels were included. There was some debate about the wheels. 1981 Z28 had an optional aluminum factory mag which is reproduced and not too expensive, so I had thought I might go that route, $2200 without the wheels. But, I like the 5 spoke standard Z28 15 x 7 wheels, these are new, and Camaro used these wheels from inception of the 2nd generation until ending the run in 1981, so we all agreed to take the wheels. As to eventual paint color, because of the prevalence of Silver cars in the world today we likely will not paint it silver. Back in 1981, Silver was still quite rare. Having the Camaro brochure from 1981, there are a ton of cool colors to paint it and keep it factory stock, but I am a fan of the Orange Metallic. In the end, we will take a vote on color, because that's a long way away. My friend Al Kiley, who has been my old car picker upper for 20 years, will go with me on February 18, Sunday, to retrieve the car. It has a clear Minnesota title, which my wife and I will put in our names. Ashton and I primarily will strip the car and restore it, but his mom is game, and my wife says she will help. Ashton is in a body shop program and wants to work in a Chevy body shop where his older sister works (Chevy dealership) and his brother in law manages a department. I will likely pay Ashton for his help, he will learn some skills, get off the gaming, and of course can drive the car when done. The Z28 will be visually stock, but I plan on adding internal horsepower to the 350, which was a net 175 in 1981, I am hoping for 250 or so. One of the 1st tasks will be removing the rear axle, and taking it to be rebuilt as a 3.42 posi. Anyway, look for the photos in a couple of weeks. I am slow, but eventually I buy cars.