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The right rear wheel is missing its tire. There is a tire laying in the puddle, and one leaning against the fence. I wonder what ones came from where?
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Downdraft or updraft?
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Paint might be original, upholstery isn't (my opinion, don't actually know the car!), however, upholstery looks nice! (I don't say that very often?) Most of the inside window cranks and door handles appear to be off? Be careful pulling the door shut, one might get trapped in there?
Looks like a decent car that with a little work could be years of fun!
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On 6/8/2023 at 3:13 PM, J. Hamblin said:
I'm very happy to help and glad it was of use to you. I only recently found out about it after someone else ID'd a car with 1915 plates in a photo and mentioned the Internet Archive as source (not on this site). I've used IA extensively before but somehow missed this dataset.
J Hamblin et al,
In the "it is a small world department". I had to confirm this which took a couple days, but it turns out that our son recently went to work for Internet Archive as a programmer in their IT department.
Like I said, "small world"? He has been raving about how dedicated they are to building a lasting and viable archive of many things.
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Does he mostly need the spring loaded handles? Or the catches that bolt onto the hood sides?
I need to check something.
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A bit more about just what you are looking for would help.
Most of the "Marmon" automobiles for sale recently have been the Marmon Roosevelt or the pre Roosevelt small eight cylinder car. Cars have ranged from a 1929 sedan needing major restoration, but not terrible, for $5000 on up to an overpriced coupe fully (but not quite properly?) restored in the $30,000 neighborhood.
My two tries at searches got differing results in spite of wording my query the same both times.
This was the most results;
https://forums.aaca.org/search/?q=Marmon for sale&quick=1
The 1927 speedster was speculated to also be a small eight, and no price was given.
If I recall correctly, there was a big eight Marmon about 1930 included in an upcoming auction listing recently discussed around here. However, since I do not actually follow the auctions myself, I don't recall which of several it may have been.
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Hey there Graham Man!
I do believe that is the one!
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For two thousand years, the swastika was a symbol of good luck and/or prosperity. Recognized as such by several major cultures and religions around the world. It took one maniacal despot about five years to change its image, maybe forever?
Around 1910 when the Krit was being manufactured? Who could have known?
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Whitewalls in the 1910s and some of the 1920s were different than what they became in the late 1920s and remained ever since. In the late 1920s, whitewalls became a "touch of flash", or some sort of ostentatious exhibitionism, fads that came and went only to return again, sometimes only a few years later.
For the most part, whitewalls in the 1910s were simply a part of how tires were made. A natural progression from crude handmade tires using mostly natural materials that wound up an off-white shade. Pre1910 tires were weak, blowouts were common, and tires often came loose and simply left the wheel. As efforts to make tires better moved forward, improved materials were used and manufacturing also improved. Along with the competition to make better tires, the outbreak of war in Europe caused material shortages worldwide. This in turn pushed the development of alternate materials both to alleviate shortages and improve reliability. That "natural progression" at this point resulted in the wear area of the tire, the tread, to be made out of tougher and darker materials, and the casing to remain the softer and lighter colored materials. And the "whitewall" tire was borne.
The contrast between the darker tread and the lighter sidewalls of those earlier tires was not so distinctive. Coupled with the dirty roads of the day making the darker tread appear lighter while at the same time making the lighter sidewall appear darker, and the tires really do not show themselves as being whitewalls in most era photographs. But they are there.
As someone that has looked very closely at several thousand era photographs, searching for minor details, I have seen hundreds of era photos that do show the early whitewall tires. Often, one has to look closely to see the whitewall. Once in awhile, one finds a photo where the whitewalls show well.
Enough thread drift! Back to more political incorrectness!
And, by the way, my ancestry is also part Scottish! Proudly frugal to a fault.
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My wife would like for me to reiterate how appreciative she is for this information. She said to tell you that she is ecstatic to be able to forward this to the Historical Society!
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Thanks guys! I thank you and my wife thanks you. I knew you would come through for us.
J. Hamblin,
I knew from a couple past discussions that some sort of reference listing was "out there" somewhere for early California registrations, but did not know what it was or where. Thank you for that information! California is famous for not having any records of registrations for most of its many decades. There was a famous warehouse fire in Sacramento in either 1948 or 1949 that destroyed all records for almost thirty years. California for about fifty years has steadfastly maintained that no records existed from before 1948. I had in recent years heard of some records becoming available for the early years, but I do not know how or from where they came.
While there are some minor differences, mostly the wheels and the headlamps which could have been changed on either car, overall the Maxwell looks right! Certainly, a lot of cars that left the factory with non-demountable wheels were upgraded to demountable rim wheels as several companies began offering after-market wheels in the mid 1910s. Firestone was offering such wheels for almost any car by 1913, and a fair number of companies made and sold wheels based upon the Firestone design for many common cars. Perlman made a lot of wheels for model T Fords and others. I know several people that have Perlman wheels on their model Ts.
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I guess I wasn't clear enough in my comments? (Me? Wordy or confusing? Naw!) Just to clarify, the tank I was carrying was not like this one. It was just a common standard style. That particular common standard style one was from a Nash. This the OP's one? I do not know. But I am sure curious about it.
Thank you to Grimy and Layden B, for the pages you posted copies of! Two longtime friends!
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The Humboldt County (California) Historical Society has just put this photo on their website, looking for identification. Reposted here with their permission. They are hoping that knowing what the car is can lead to who the people are.
My wife was born a fourth generation Humboldt resident in Eureka, and although her family moved her out of the area at a young age, she still has family in the area. She feels very connected to her Humboldt roots and stays in touch through the Humboldt Historical Society. Her great great grandfather was a well known doctor in the area for many years, and they are related by marriage to the founders of the town of Ferndale.
My wife and the HCHS would very much appreciate any help in identifying this car.
The license plate is a one year only California porcelain plate, 1914. The car I believe is one or two years earlier than the 1914.
I had an immediate reaction to what I think the car is, but I couldn't quickly find an exact model match in my limited picture sources. The radiator shape (partially hidden behind the license plate) is quite distinctive.
So, to not "poison the waters", I will just toss this out for the experts better than I.
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No worries my friend! You shared it here.
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5 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said:
Sounds like damning with faint praise...
Pretty sure that is how he meant it!
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Wow! Interesting.
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I have seen a handful like that over the years. I cannot recall ever seeing one on a car, and have no idea who might have used those.
Many years ago, I picked up a spare common style Stewart vacuum tank for one of the several cars I have had over the years that used them. While walking around the swap meet, a fellow I did not know asked me if I knew what car the one I bought was from. I said "no", and he replied that he could tell me. Turned out that he had some old reference book for the Stewart vacuum tanks. He looked up the stamped number on the top and showed me that the one I had (at least the top of it) was from a mid 1920s Nash.
So, there was a book, and I saw it. I chatted with the fellow and he said he was at all the swap meets in the area and would be happy to identify any I ever found. I don't know what happened to him, but I never saw him or his book again.
There were a few really odd variations including yours that make them basically not work for almost everybody that does want a Stewart vacuum tank. Probably over 95 percent of Stewart vacuum tank tops are functionally interchangeable. They have a bunch of minor variations in the top casting, several variations for priming fittings (most have no priming fitting!), a couple different fuel inlet fittings, and some of them even have a brass name/label plate on the top.
The outer tanks came in a dozen different sizes and styles between 1913 and the early 1930s. Early styles and later styles may look different. And how the mounting brackets attach may be different. And the sizes can vary a lot! However, all those various tops will bolt right onto almost any outer tank and work just fine (as long as you don't mix in one of those 5 percent odd ones?).
For whatever it is worth.
Good luck! I hope you can find someone that can use that one.
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Would you believe a photo taken before 1920 of a small child doing an imitation of one of those *** dolls?
I couldn't hardly believe it when I ran into this photo a few years ago. But this is a little kid helping "dad" start the car!
And Billy K, nice setup of an auto show bingo sheet!
Thanks for the chuckle!
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You are quite right! A wonderful article full of many interesting details I had not heard before. A well known story, made better by so many names we historians know. But did not know were involved in this.
Thank you.
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I don't know for sure by a longshot. But it looks an awful lot like the "simple rods" headlamp bar used by Metz on the model 22 from 1912 through 1914. I believe they may have continued with something similar on the early model 25s in 1915 and maybe another year or so. The electric headlamps I don't think Metz offered on the model 22, but may have on the model 25.
I don't have anything to measure to confirm that unfortunately.
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8 hours ago, alsancle said:
This 1912 Reo and several other cars were owned by the Gillies family in Ontario Canada. There are several photos of the Reo, a few with a model T or two, and a couple along with a Packard. Several of the photos seem to be floating all over the internet. I have run into them on several websites.
A few years ago, on another forum, a member in Canada shared some of the family's history.
Since I recognized the car, and knew I had the family's name in some notes, I thought they should be remembered.
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On 6/3/2023 at 9:26 AM, Leif in Calif said:
Have 4 doors that need to be cut and welded to fit cab
"Cut and weld" wood frame doors???? Yeah, that sounds like fun. I wonder if the "doors" are even from a Buick?
Someone with grand plans! Not well thought out. Sadly, it looks like a great parts pile for someone with a nice same model car as this chassis that wants spare parts in case something breaks badly while driving it like it was meant to be driven.
A lot of people in this hobby used to do that. Keep extra engine and running gear in case they needed it later. Most people today don't want the clutter in their life. Then they complain when they need to replace something and nobody has one.
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The square reflector like this one has started about 1918 or 1919 (there is still some debate on the exact year?), and continued through the end of production in 1927 for cars sold without the starter/generator/battery package.
1919 onwards enclosed body cars (sedans and coupes) came standard with the starter etc package. So, only open body cars (roadsters and touring cars) as well as TT trucks and the bare commercial chassis used these lamps.
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Maybe I am misunderstanding something? But I have never used a photo hosting site in order to post photos. Any photo I share on this or other antique automobile forums are added as "attachments" to my post. That whether it is an era photo I have acquired somewhere or modern photos of cars I have seen or owned.
As a "used to was a" communications systems contractor and sometimes engineer with my fingerprints all over the foundation of the internet (mine and about a million other people's?), I never trusted independent hosting sites. Unfortunately, several such sites have thoroughly validated my distrust in them by after making grandiose claims and promises a few years later pulled the plug on thousands (maybe millions?) of hosted photos that they "promised" would stay virtually forever. I did have personal accounts with two such hosting sites, which I used only for the convenience of sharing photos so long as the site was being agreeable, and for the "collecting" of shared photos by their other members. At the first hint that they were going to renege on their promises, I downloaded copies of everything I had there and quit using their sites entirely.
My work in IT was mostly hardware. When it comes to software and keyboard stuff? I get very uncomfortable very quickly. However, I have generally found it simple to post any photo on my computer to the websites I frequent.
This discussion really needs to be in the "Forum Support and Administration"/"Forum Questions and Answers" section.
https://forums.aaca.org/forum/134-forum-questions-and-answers/
However, my short "I hate programming" answer.
Near or below the "typing box" for writing your post (exact location varies forum to forum). should be an "attach" and/or "choose files" to click on. That should open a window into your hard-drive, and give you options to find photos stored on your hard-drive. A "click" or some systems require a "double click" and the individual photo should down/up load to your post. Websites vary whether you can preview or not and how, but I like to preview if I can. Then click on "submit" and hope!
Some websites allow you to place uploaded photos where you want them in the text. AACA used to, and maybe they still do? But I haven't figured it out since an upgrade earlier this year (So much for me being some kind of expert?).
Hope some of that can help? Maybe?
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June 10, Kissel Kars from around the world will be gathering at the Wisconsin Auto Museum in Hartford, WI
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I would bet the 1921 sport tourster had its huge door opened and closed more times in two days than it has in two years!
Looks like a good time was had by all. Maybe especially your family?