wayne sheldon
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Just a few hours to go, and the high bid is now $11,500. Reserve still not met.
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A bit too new for me. But I like it!
I question the "rebuilt engine"? It doesn't look like any really rebuilt engine I ever saw. Maybe worked over a little bit? The material I don't think is correct, but the interior looks pretty good anyway.
I would actually consider it if I had the money to spend. Almost anywhere you ever went with it, you would be the only one there with anything quite like it!
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I am so pleased to see this car coming along this nicely! I remember you making comments about it on the MTFCA forums ten to fifteen years ago.
I also like the color choice! I looked at a very original 1927 T four-door sedan many years ago. The mostly intact original paint was that light greenish gray color. I really liked the color on that car.
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Somebody estimated the retail value at over $36,000??? They must have been smoking whatever the rats left inside the upholstery?
The listing is a bit convoluted. The $6500 is the current high bid. It doesn't say what the "reserve" is, just that it hasn't been met.
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Smart. Very smart.
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On 1/17/2024 at 12:18 PM, Tph479 said:
I seen the bottom white car during it's most recent restoration. In person the colors work. If memory services me right, the bottom car was originally white and owned by an actress and has an early J number. The above pictures show an excellent contrast on what a disappearing top does to the ascetics of a car. I would be happy to have either car sitting in the garage and I would still be seen cheesing driving a white duesy.
Was that the "Mae West" car?
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I had a 1984 Eagle wagon for a couple years. I want to tell you it was the best car I ever drove in snow! I knew someone that had one of these, bought cheap. I don't know if it was as nice in the snow or not. But he didn't keep it long.
I don't know about other states? But one needs to be very careful about the AMC Eagle cars of the early 1980s in California. Getting the carbureted cars to pass their strict smog rules was nearly impossible, unless something has changed in the past ten years. Some specific and unique to them part was not being manufactured, and virtually none were available. The only way (ten years ago?) to get around California's carbureted rules was an optional fuel injection system that could be bought for a couple grand.
The Eagle wagons really are good cars. I wish I could have one now. But I haven't seen one on a California road in nearly ten years. And there used to be a lot of people around here that used to love them!
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What can I say? I have a lot of stuff in my head trying to get out!
Thank you for the "thank you".
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1 hour ago, 7th Son said:
A private airport in San Jose, CA, predating the barn storming days has been put on notice for dropping a few planes on nearby subdivision houses where there used to be open fields. Picky, picky, picky!
The runways will soon sprout million dollar plus condos.
Suburban ingress has been trying to shut down Reid Hillview Airport in San Jose for way over fifty years now. Began in 1935, it was built in an area surrounded by farms and undesirable foothills where nobody could really care about the dangers of falling airplanes. About twenty years later, suburban housing began to replace farmlands, and the battles over noise and "safety" began. No large commercial airliners there, mostly smaller private planes.
Ironically, in the late 1960s (I was going to high school in the area at the time), developers built a huge (at the time, one of the largest in the US!) shopping mall right under the landing approach. It was under construction for a couple years, but about a month after the shopping mall opened, an airplane crashed into the roof of Macy's! True to the developer's words, the roof took the hit and held up.
One of my cousins keeps his plane there.
Race tracks are a bit different. They attract lots more traffic, and might be noisier. However, they also provide entertainment for thousands of people, large tax revenues for the local municipalities, jobs and incomes for many people (which in turn also adds income for more people and in turn again and again for the local cities or townships!).
Are there some annoyances accompanying things like racing tracks? Certainly. But whether most people want to admit it or not? Almost EVERYBODY in the area benefits from them! How can they not? A vibrant healthy local economy with satisfied neighbors enjoying the "show" improves everyone's life. Some "reasonable" civic planning (especially traffic control!), and it should be a win - win - win! (Even for those who couldn't care less about racing!)
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7 hours ago, alsancle said:
I think most steam car guys, including Stanley guys will admit that the white technology was far superior to Stanley. The beauty of Stanley is simplicity.
I think the biggest difference between the condensing and non-condensing cars is the performance of the cars. Basically the same powertrain, but half the weight.
Both of those points are things I have heard often from friends with steam cars.
I tend to wonder about things. Certainly, the condenser adds a considerable amount of weight, however, there seems to be more than that. The Whites (mostly pre1910) were bigger and heavier cars than were the earlier Stanley cars. And when the Stanley twins went to using condensers about 1916, they began building their cars bigger and heavier. The condensers gave the cars a better driving range without as much need to replenish the water supply. So the car actually could carry a bit less water to offset the weight of the condenser some.
The difference in performance between condensing and noncondensing Stanley cars is significant. The two different types are in a sense different worlds. Much like comparing a brass era model T with a later Model A if it had a model T size engine in it. One is spindly, very open and light, while the other is heavier and more solid, but with similar power.
I had long hoped to get a steam car some day myself. But that is not likely to ever happen for me.
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I am no steam expert. But I have had several good friends that had and restored or toured with a number of steam cars. This car I understand is known in the steam car world for its historic significance. That significance makes it more desirable to some in the steam crowd, and less desirable to others. So that may affect the value either way.
As for condensing Stanleys versus non-condensing ones? Also a mixed bag. The steam car crowd has a lot of people that love their condensing cars, enjoy their greater tour-ability and range. And also a lot of die-hard steam purists that only want the non-condensing Stanley cars. Interesting how the White fits in between those two, as most White steam cars were condensing models years before the Stanley twins went to the condensing model. The last of the White steam cars was manufactured about five years before the Stanley twins went to the condenser. Of course, when getting closer to the "Horseless Carriage" era, earlier is usually more desirable as is practical functionality. Around horseless carriages, year and functionality tend to play off each other as one tends to get better while the other gets worse.
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Correct! (And Layden knows as well as anyone)
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Just want to add a little bit here. With all the comments about scammers (including my comments!), one can get a dire view of what is out there. Frankly, all that is important. We in this hobby a long time have seen a great deal of change in this world, and the amount of dishonesty in the world and the hobby today.
There still are legitimate good deals out there. We sometimes see them and discuss them in the "Not Mine" area of this forum's cars for sale section. The Studebaker shared by the OP (original poster) in this thread is not crazy cheap, although somewhat below what we might expect to see the car for sale for. Frankly, it could happen?
Asking prices on collector cars have been going crazy high for the past decade or two. Some collector cars, the high end more desirable cars, have actually gone up in value and selling prices that much. However, MOST collector cars, especially prewar collector cars, have not gone up significantly over the past two decades. Many cars that went through fad-driven rollercoaster values in past years have actually lost significant amounts of value. This may continue, it may not.
Asking prices are not a true indicator of a car's value. And collector cars are not like most other valuables. Their market is very specialized, with hundreds of nuances affecting the value of any given collector car! They do not sell in high enough numbers of multiple "comparable" cars. The "value of value guides" is often discussed on forums like this. I usually avoid those discussions as they tend to become personal. If I do comment on them, I nearly always express my opinion that value guides and MOST (not all) appraisers are basically useless. Most appraisers have business degrees, but do not understand the complexities of the collector car markets. Value guides, there simply are not enough true comparable sales to base an evaluation, coupled with complexities of location and regional interests.
All that leads to again advising to join the national club that best represents your interest (the AACA is one of the best overall!), and a local/regional club that also reflects your area of interest (again the AACA is one of the best overall, although personally I prefer the HCCA) (sorry, just being honest?). Get involved in the local club. Go to their meetings and activities, get to know them, and get them to know you. A lot of the best deals in collector cars are sold locally, from one local hobbyist trying to thin the herd or moving on to something new to him, to another hobbyist wanting something new to him to work with. Also, most collector cars are not the top tier most desirable model. Most hobbyists know this, and know where their car stands in that. Many hobbyists that know what their car is and what it isn't are likely to price their car more reasonably than are the flippers and family members wanting to maximize their inheritance based on all the bologna they have seen in the media.
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Thank you PF. Nice to see this thread bumped back up again! I had a 1915/'16 series 16 Studebaker six cylinder car for many years. Love this era Studebaker!
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From what I have been told over the years, William Harrah made plans for his collection. And look at what happened to it! It took a bunch of his friends to negotiate a donation from the hotel chain that ended up with his casinos, plus about a hundred of his friends and admirers to buy back nearly another hundred cars for the "National Automotive Museum" to be set up as a memorial to Harrah's fine collection and great contributions to the hobby.
Unless one has solid family support for it? Setting up such foundations is very difficult, and in the legal wrangling system, easily broken.
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Says "bidding complete". Doesn't say whether it sold or not.
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Sales literature claimed that wire wheels would become standard equipment, but the simple FACT is that it never happened!
The triangle shaped "gypsy" curtains (still rarely seen) were also an option in 1926 and 1927.
Headlamps changed a few times during 1926 and 1927, and there were several detail difference changes during those two years. But I can't see any of those details in this photo.
A touring car with wire wheels and gypsy curtains likely would be a very late 1926 or a 1927 model as supply shortages (one of the main reasons the wire wheels never actually became standard equipment!) made those options not available on anything but sedans for much of 1926.
It is a great photo of one of the last of the ubiquitous model T Fords!
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7 hours ago, myerstowner said:
And it's a kindof odd deal. it's being held by a shipping company, not by the guy himself.
THAT is another typical scam "misdirection" (read that as an outright lie!). There are a dozen other common misdirections used in scams.
The first is the price, while not ridiculously low, is almost too good to be true. Second is will deliver an under $10,000 car anywhere in the country for free! NO WAY NO HOW! The round trip out of pocket cost to deliver it could easily be half the selling price of the car.
We don't know your financial situation. Probably like most of us, never enough money. Regardless, don't expect to actually get anything quite that nice for quite that cheaply.
If you are serious about getting into this wonderful hobby? My advice usually is to try to figure out what sort of car, era, style, etc car you would most want? Find some local antique car club or even local "cars and coffee" group that plays around with the type cars you are interested in, and get to know them. Join the club (if they will allow it without having a car. most do, some don't?), go to some of their gettogethers, talk to the people with cars similar to what you would like.
There are a lot of good collector cars of all sorts all over the country, available at fairly reasonable prices.
Cost of transporting is nearly the same for a $5000 car as it is for a million dollar car (point, not necessarily careful handling, open versus enclosed, etc.). A major collector buys a million dollar car, it doesn't really matter where in the world it is. An average guy on a tight budget wants buy an under $10,000 car? He really needs to find something within a few hundred miles.
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Many early roadsters and coupes (some as late as the early 1920s) had little doors at the rear of the "turtle deck"/trunk on the back of the car. It should be interesting to note that the model T Ford added a turtle deck/trunk to their runabout/roadster for model year 1913. It had a moderately large opening lid on the top of the turtle deck (relative to the small size of the turtle deck overall). In spite of that fact, two years later, for the 1915 couplet, the first production couplets had a very small door at the back of the turtle deck/trunk. The door was small, down low and inconvenient. Ford quickly recognized the error of that design, and only about halfway through the 1915 model year altered the design of the trunk to have a larger and more convenient lid on the top of the trunk. Only maybe a thousand (small number given Ford's usual production numbers!) of the earliest Ford couplets have that small door at the back. Maybe a handful of them still exist. I do know a fellow that has a small collection of model T couplets, and he beautifully restored both the early and late version of the 1915 couplets. His attention to detail of the ultra-rare early version coupe is FANTASTIC! The rare (that word may be way overused, but in the case of this particular car, it is appropriate!) early version oil sidelamps and taillamps, odd brackets - - - - (I digress again, looking at his car inside my head?)
Anyway. Ford did not use that silly design for long on their cars. But a lot of other automakers did use it for several years. If I recall correctly, I recall seeing a few Studebaker roadsters, a Marmon, and several Cadillac (roadsters and coupes) using those. A very good friend has a 1918 Pierce Arrow coupe with the little trunk door at the back. That one I got to look at closely!
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8 minutes ago, vintage1 said:
Would that red have been an original color ?
Not likely, however, it would take someone more involved specifically with the 1931 Chevrolet product line, or original sales literature to know for certain what colors were actually offered or standard for this model 1931 Chevrolet.
I do know that Chevrolet had begun offering some sportier colors by 1931 than what they had in earlier years.
In at least one of the photos above, I see some light beige/brown peeking through the red. That "beige" was the standard color on the landaulet sedans Chevrolet offered in 1929 and 1930. I have over the years seen a couple of original landaulet sedans with that original color still on them! Pure speculation on my part? Perhaps for this new style for 1931, maybe they carried over that beige onto this model???
Really neat looking car and very rare (for a Chevrolet) body style.
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Thank you t-a-c! Neat car!
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Can anyone share a picture or link to a picture of the car in question?
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One may wish to laugh at the intended humor, certainly a wonderful thing!
However, I recall I think a bit over forty years ago reading an article in some science oriented magazine, about a University back East was examining the air that had been trapped inside several century old items they knew (believed?) had not been opened or otherwise contaminated for most of that century. I remember that there were a couple of telescopes carefully opened up so that the air inside could be tested.
I never did see a follow-up with results of the testing.
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1926 Ford Model T Fordor
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Very, very, nice! I do look forward to seeing more progress as well as the "great unveiling"!
Be well my friend.