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Hi John, I've got pix at home, I'm at public library right now, of my '37 6-cyl. 4-door touring sedan if that will do. I'll look them up tonight. I'm pretty sure you're correct about the lines travel but I'll double check tonight and add some pix tomorrow. Paul

Super!!! John, seeing the underneath now really answers all my previous questions. I can see the slots and the support hangers, or whatever you call them, which give the box extra support for the weight of a battery. Thanks a bunch for the extra underneath shots. Those really helped! I think I can now reproduce what the original box looked like. Paul PS. I hope Yellowstone got the same snow Colorado recently got. We always have had plenty of snow there for downhill playing. Good luck doing some serious cross country!! Have a great time and thanks again!

Sorry, John, I'm a little slow at responding but I've been skiing in Colorado and just got back. Thanks for taking the time and effort to take these pix!! I'm just a little confused trying to examine the pix. Are the two bent support rods over the edge on both sides going into any slots or are they just welded in place and hang over the top to hold the battery box up? Or maybe they're clips of some sort? I can't seem to make out how they work in the pix. Actually it looks like the front of the battery box is welded to the frame? My '37 4-door touring sedan doesn't have a bar going across the rods to hold/clamp the battery in place. Maybe they changed the battery box configuration between the 2-door and 4-door touring sedans? Does the bar holding up the rear side of the battery box have 2 slots in it? My front and rear support bars have 2 elongated slots in them and I was wondering if they were used in some way to hold up the battery box. Paul

HI M., Well, that person did a great job at taking a pix for you. Your floor plate is pretty clean. My cover plate was over-coated on top anyway, with something they sprayed over the entire floor as a rust preventative coating and it appears original whatever it is. Thanks for getting at least those pix. As I said earlier I want to reproduce an original looking battery box the battery sits in. Is your battery box the original '37 box or do you think it was replaced sometime ago? I'd like to see it someday if that's possible. I understand it's in storage but if you could get a hold of a pix or two someday I'd appreciate it!

Thanks M. but I have the battery's floor plate and it looks exactly like yours. I'm really interested in getting a look at the original '37 battery box the battery sits in.

Thanks Gary, I did have a look a while ago, in my initial search, at Gary W.'s battery tray. His has bolt holes in the tray supports. Mine have two, 2 inch slots on both sides of the supports. Others have said Pontiac used these slots, at least on one side anyway, to hold short arms that stick through the slots of the battery tray. The other two slots on the other side may have been used for bolts. At least that would make sense since there is no reason for the slots because there's no reason to move the tray left or right between the supports. Anyway, I'll keep looking for an original '37 Pontiac 6 battery tray pix.

HI M., No, haven't seen a pix of the tray yet. Can't really blame anyone for not wanting to remove their battery just to take a pix of the tray for someone else. I was hoping someone in the middle of a restoration would have taken a pix of their tray just to record it for a before and after record. I do it all the time. Makes it a lot easier later on to remember how everything goes back together. I check here regularly but nothing yet. Haven't given up hope yet!! Ha!

Does anyone have a picture of their battery tray, old or restored? I want to fabricate a copy of the originally designed battery tray. Thanks, in advance, for your time and effort!! I've searched the web for '37 battery tray pix to no avail. I guess being the battery rests under the floor few people would show that view.

There is a shift lever spring on Ebay right now. It's very similar to, I think, as the one for my '37 Pontiac 6, at least the end of the shift lever looks identical to mine. You may have to open up the end cap to a round hole but that wouldn't be too hard to do. You could always ask the seller for the springs i.d. and length to be sure it would work. Just a thought. https://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-1935-1936-Pontiac-Shift-Lever-Spring-Cup-NOS-Part-553573/142956993477?hash=item2148e69bc5:g:-skAAOSw6oBXFFJ9:sc:USPSFirstClass!55122!US!-1:rk:12:pf:0&vxp=mtr

Thanks, Bloo! After what you said I took another look at the supporting frame of the battery box under the bent over top flaps and it does, like you said, have two slots. I hadn't noticed that before. There are two slots on both front and rear sides of the supporting frame. There are no places on the supporting frames that show any previous rivet locations or would indicate previous rivets by means of holes. I really wish someone would photograph their original '37 battery box so I could duplicate it. Guess I can always hope! Thanks again for responding!

I've got my grandfather's 37 Pontiac 6 Touring Sedan, which is almost totally original, I'm working on. I was wondering if this is the original battery box. The box looks rather crude to be an original. The bent over flaps on the top looks like someone used a cutting torch to cut it out which makes me wonder if it's original. Can someone tell me or show me a picture of what the original box looks like? It doesn't look to me like a factory produced battery box that would come with a finished car. I'd appreciate any help! Sorry about the partial pix I've included. I took them a few years ago before I started a semi-restoration.

John, I found it on the car! Ha! Just joking. As I said earlier the car is all original. The junction is the original junction that came on the '37 Pontiacs. All I did was take it off and sandblast it to clean it up. There is a guy I think he's in Missouri but I can't remember that has a lot of Pontiacs that probably would have that part but I can't remember his name right now. I'll have to check my records at home (I'm at the local library right now) and add that info tomorrow. Paul OK, just remembered him without going home. He told me he has a lot of NOS parts for Pontiacs. Give him a call. KURT KELSEY Phone # 641-648-9086 email is kelsey@prairieinet.com.

Hi jdshott, Sorry I'm a little slow with responding but I have to come to the library to post. I did my front brakes about a year ago on my grandpa's '37 Pontiac Deluxe 6 Touring Sedan. Here are some of the pix I took. The first two are before I started to replace the steel lines which are all original. Actually the entire vehicle is original, grandpa was a stickler for leaving it in the garage if it was raining. I decided to bypass replacing the old steel lines and went with copper-nickle lines instead. Glad I did cuz it's a whole lot easier bending copper lines to match the old steel ones. The brass junction you are concerned with can be seen in the pix quite well if you zoom in. I think the junction you found on Ebay should work with a little modification if you don't mind drilling a new hole to mount it. Maybe the junction can be swivelled with a little work so you can use the original chassis hole. Might be worth a try. Anyway, I hope these pix help. Kookie1

Tom, personal message backatcha! Paul

Hey Tom, that's an idea. I would not have guessed the bell housing hole would still be the same size five years later. Thanks for looking into G-pa's boxes. Would you be interested in letting it go? I still need both arms and legs thou! Ha! Ha! Paul

HaHaHa!!! OK, thanks for the thought, but I guess I'll have to wait until they figure out how to print foam rubber in a 3-D printer!! I won't be holding my breath. I thought for sure Steele Rubber would have already been making them but I guess I'm mistaken. Anyway, thanks for responding, PP, you have a great week!

I see. I imagine with all the fine cracks that yours is original. Do you know if anyone makes a reproduction of it? I've looked at Steele Rubber, California Pontiac, Kanter etc. but can't seem to locate any.

Hey, PP you found a hole cover!! U da man!! I never thought I'd see an actual '37 hole cover. Where did you find one? Is that a metal grab flap on top or maybe it's a grab strap to pull it out of the hole. It's hard to tell from the picture. Now that I think about it, I assume the hollow portion with the raised ridge goes on the inside to hold it in place, right? So what sticks out of the hole when it's plugged is the grab strap or whatever you call it. I'm just guessing here as you probably gathered. Thanks for the photos PP!

Just thought I'd say I've eventually figured out, after further cleaning the heads of what I thought were not heads at all, that they're actually screw heads with a slot....DUH!! I just wish someone would have said, "Hey, bozo, try a screwdriver in the bolt slot, that usually works for me!!" Ha! Guess I should have done a better cleaning job before asking for help. Anyway, I'm now further into doing my own clutch yoke release boot. Thanks again to all who took the time to help!

Thanks for the file, hwellens, it does answer some of my questions. One being does any pump have numbers starting with a "9". Apparently they do. At first I thought my grandpa's car was original just because of how he used it and kept it. But I guess he must have had some problems since it has a 1949-52 WA-1 carburetor which was not original. Now I'm thinking he may have had the fuel pump replaced as well. Anyway, thanks for the response. I hear ya, PetePontiac-1, but I never was a big fan of clubs. I'm kind of a loner and DIY-er. I've talked with Kurt before on other matters and he seems to be a helpful guy and a great resource. Thanks for all the details too!

I want to order a fuel pump kit and to do that I need the pump number. I can't figure out what this number is. I haven't taken the pump off the car yet and can't read the number from above so I shoved my camera down low and took some photos of the flange number, after cleaning off with a wire brush of course. The pump is on my 1937 Pontiac 6 Deluxe Touring Sedan, 223 engine, std transmission. It's a dual diaphragm unit with slotted screws. Here are five of those pix I took. It looks like it's 9242 or 9342, possibly 32-12 or 93-12 by looking at the second digit near the bottom of the stamped digit. Suppose it could be 92-12 or 32-42 but I don't know of any fuel pump stamping with a dash like that so I'm guessing it's a number 4. The first number looks like a 9 but I haven't seen any kits starting with a 9 for an AC pump. Kind of a sloppy stamping as you can see which makes it tough to read. Can anyone tell me, with any certainty, what these number are. Thanks, in advance!

Well, I took the whole thing out of the car, coil, cable and lock. It's sitting on the work bench and I still have no idea how to get the coil off it's cap. Chewed up my hand trying to use a feeler gauge and I've finally given up with the feeler gauge idea. It's obviously not going to work. I can't believe no one has a picture of the inside of the cap and coil laying around. Surely I'm not the first person with this problem. Does anyone have a picture of the inside of the coil cap? I'd settle for a picture or a drawing or even a drawing of the special tool. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated too!!

Thanks, 1940TORPEDO, for the shot. It looks rather deep, that is thick, but who know, although you can't really tell how deep it would be in reality from a diagram pix. I was hoping someone who actually had one would add a pix of it here but who know, it could happen eventually. I know now, thanks to you, they really did make a timing hole cover in '37.

Thanks, Tinindian, for your info, it does help. It gave me another idea in case I decide to make a cover. My 223 engine has a 1-1/4" square hole as you can see. I've since seen the rubber Chevy covers you can purchase that are oval shaped but I don't know the size of them at this point. I really wanted to know if Pontiac actually made a cover for this engine and what it looked like. Maybe someone who knows will chime in. Thanks again for your input!

Does anyone have a photo of the timing hole cover? As I understand it there was an original timing hole cover but many were either never replaced after timing the engine or simply lost, either misplaced or dislodged and lost while in operation. If I remember correctly I read here that someone still had their original timing hole cover. Apparently they're a rare sighting on an engine.