avisauto Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 Hi Folks,New to this site, I'm interested in all sorts of automobiles. In the repair business for about 30 years, I've come across lots of interesting junk. I have a Stoddard Dayton Carburetor, which I shined up, and would like to identify it if possible. I don't really want to get rid of it, cause it's a nice artifact, but if anyone is familiar with these cars, I'd appreciate any info. Here's a picture.Thanks,JerryDrain, OR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 WOW! The very FIRST Indy 500 pace car was a Stoddard-Dayton. The big ones had the most beautiful exposed overhead valve gear you'd ever want to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 You'll want to find a Jan-Feb. 1961 issue of Antique Automobile for some general Staddard-Dayton history. Sorry, just noticed you were new here, WELCOME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avisauto Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WOW! The very FIRST Indy 500 pace car was a Stoddard-Dayton. The big ones had the most beautiful exposed overhead valve gear you'd ever want to watch. </div></div>If the carburetor is an indication, I'll bet the valve train is spectacular. Where did you see one run? I understand the museum in Dayton,OH has one car, are there others? Perhaps on the West coast?This carburetor was found under the floorboards of an old house here in Oregon. No sign of the rest of the car though.Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Jerry, This is the 1910 Stoddard-Dayton 50HP Roadster I saw run at the 1967 HCCA Fall Meet in Ridgefield, Ct. The late David Domidian owned it at that time, it was restored by Don Harter and is featured in the Jan-Feb 1961 issue of Antique Autombile. That 1912 Ford T on the left is mine now, the big station wagon is a 1914 Armleder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moskowitz Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Bob, I am amazed that you did not mention the "prancing horse" in the background of Jerry's post...very valuable carburetor!! If you like exposed valve trains, you should have seen the Matheson that was shown at Hershey last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 That Ferrari is too new to notice, the Matheson at Hershey was a great car. I've got this original Penny Havard artwork on the wall, a Matheson being gased with a mobil pump in front of the P.T.Barnum Museum in Bridgeport, Ct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moskowitz Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 I should have known that you would not have missed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Binger Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Steve,Is that the Matheson that is in Oklahoma City? I got to see it during the Chickasha Swap meet last March. It is a very interesting vehicle. I think there is one in Colorado also.Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Dan, Is the late Ralph Stein 1908 Welch still out your way? Four cylinder over head cam exposed rocker HEMI powered four in 1908, lightyears ahead of its time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 The pictured carburetor greatly resembles the early glass bowl Stromberg units. I wonder if Stromberg built the carburetor for Stoddard-Dayton? Would be nice to know the lettering before the serial number on the side of the carburetor. I am unable to read it. Something "4". Stromberg used the identical type of designation, where there would be a letter (ie. A, B, C, etc.) followed by a capital N and a small o (their abbreviation for the word "number") followed by a number which denoted the S.A.E. flange size. A size 4 would be a 1 and 3/4 inch carburetor (bore about 1 and 15/16 inches) with a center to center spacing of about 3 5/16 inches on the two studs attaching the carburetor to the intake.We do have records showing that Stromberg built carburetors specifically for other car companies; however the old files are incomplete, and there is nothing mentioned about Stoddard-Dayton.Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moskowitz Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Yep, that is the one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avisauto Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The pictured carburetor greatly resembles the early glass bowl Stromberg units. I wonder if Stromberg built the carburetor for Stoddard-Dayton? Would be nice to know the lettering before the serial number on the side of the carburetor. I am unable to read it. Something "4". Stromberg used the identical type of designation, where there would be a letter (ie. A, B, C, etc.) followed by a capital N and a small o (their abbreviation for the word "number") followed by a number which denoted the S.A.E. flange size. A size 4 would be a 1 and 3/4 inch carburetor (bore about 1 and 15/16 inches) with a center to center spacing of about 3 5/16 inches on the two studs attaching the carburetor to the intake.We do have records showing that Stromberg built carburetors specifically for other car companies; however the old files are incomplete, and there is nothing mentioned about Stoddard-Dayton.Jon. </div></div>I think Jon may have nailed it--see pic. Thanks to all for the attached pictures and info. I've been curious about these cars for years. BTW the Ferarri is just a poster on my office wall.Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Binger Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Bob,The Welch belongs to the same man that owns the Matheson. He owns some other great cars also.Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Thanks Dan, The Stein Welch lived here in Connecticut for a long time but I never got to see it. I've seen Harrah's and the one in the basement of the Petersen Collection, wonder if there are any others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moskowitz Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 "Some great cars"....that has to be the understatement of a lifetime! What a collection! Just the old race cars make you want to faint and the rest of the brass cars, all unusual, are terrific. Plus, Don is a great guy! Visiting their "Museum" is worth the trip Oklahoma City and Chikasha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caf Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Don't forget the Matheson in the Nethercutt Collection in Sylmar Ca. They also hhave an ALCO and an early Lozier among many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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