1925 back wheel bearings

has any body used the back wheel bearings from bobs automobilia are they any good and do they work ok for a 25 buick I have brought them and the inner sleeve is to short but I can make a steel sleeve to run oil seal on I some times drive my car up to 200 miles a day

How about to tell what model it`s or at least Standard or Master? Rear axle are totaly different from each other.

Leif in Sweden.

sorry its a 1925 x25 tourer standard wooden wheels the bearings that he supplied have less roller's and the inner sleeve is to short but I can get around that but will the bearing last ok having less rollers has any body else used his bearings other than that it will fit the car ok and I live in new Zealand thanks tony

Edited March 15, 2014 by tonybuick (see edit history)

I have been looking att Bob:s and can`t find any bearings that will fit on your car.Tell us what you have bought.I have never seen those bearing for sale anywhere.(new ones of course)

Leif in Sweden.

hi bobs part number is rwb-256 to fit 25 to36 rear wheels and the bearings he supplys have even less rollors than the ones in his picture page 48 in the 2013 2014 catalog I spoke to bobs and he didn't seem very sure as the car is older than he has worked on he didn't even now that the bearings should have a longer inner ring for the oil seal to fit ( it would be good if you new this before you brought them)

Edited March 15, 2014 by tonybuick (see edit history)

The inner race dosen`t looks right to this bearing you have bought.Take a look at 5.397.It will not fit on your 1925?

Leif in Sweden.

tonybuick

Did you try to source from an industrial bearing supplier? Brands like SKF, Timken, NTN etc.

Looks to be a needle roller bearing type from Bob's image http://www.ntnamericas.com/en/products/needle-roller-bearings

An industrial bearing can be 10% - 25% of the price compared to a car parts place

Walking in with a sample can get results.

http://www.bearingandengineering.co.nz/

http://www.bearingwholesale.co.nz/

http://www.smpbearings.co.nz/

http://www.farrellbearings.co.nz/

http://www.nzbearings.co.nz/index.php/supplier-database

http://www.saeco.co.nz/

Edited March 15, 2014 by 1939_buick (see edit history)

yes I did try the bearing shops they cant supply has any body used bobs bearings before will they last ok it would be good to know before I put all this extra work into fitting the bearings you think bobs would have told me about the differences before I spent my money thanks tony

the bearing he supplied is a rollway ws 210 28

I thought a picture may help this is the new bearing see how few rollers it has and the inner sleeve is short but I can overcome this has any body used these will it be ok

this is a old bearing that I have. lots more rollers and longer inner sleeve

I have been using a double row ball in my back wheels from year 2000 when car was put back on the road but one of them is coming lose in the wheel so I am going to try to put it back to the way it was made or as close as plus with the rollers it will be easier to get back wheel off to change break shoes etc

red flange I made is bolted on back of brake drum to run a oil seal works very well

the bearing he supplied is a rollway ws 210 28

If you have the dimensions a bearing shop can usually source or find an equivalent. Google "bearing interchange"

Double row ball can have side thrust

I have some old bearing books at home (in Chc now)

Is the metal the bearing sits in or against worn or distorted?

Have you got a photo of the new bearing beside the old bearing?

Google results "rollway ws 210 28" and "BEARING WS21028"

http://www.seekbearing.com/bearing/WS21028.html - useful. Has dimensions

http://www.motionindustries.com/motion3/jsp/mii/product/00076382/Rollway+WS+210-28+BRG/en?category=Bearings%3EUnmounted+Bearings%3ECylindrical+Roller

http://www.consbrgs.com/page.taf?detail=151_1_5&print=yes

http://www.onebdi.com/hu/en/Bearings/Roller-Bearings/Cylindrical-Roller-Bearings/WS-210-28/p/346234

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-ROLLWAY-WS-210-28-BEARING-WS21028-/360538765909

Edited March 16, 2014 by 1939_buick (see edit history)

I think the buick bearing numbers are

hyatt 38e12 roller

wor-210 outer

bwir-210 inner

I am still able to buy the double ball bearings but I would like to put the rollers back because it makes it hard to put wheel on and take off with the double ball set up

Googled "hyatt 38e12"

http://forums.aaca.org/f117/n-o-s-buick-1925-1936-a-195316.html

http://www.consbrgs.com/pdfs/CONSO.CH.4.pdf

good news I managed to get some inner bearing rings for the buick cost a lot as much as I paid for the car before I did it up. they even have the hole for reverting them onto the diff housing. they are now on. the axles are back in. I hope the rollers work out all right with having fewer rollers

also I need to make a set of chains up for the next car run we are doing in case we get deep mud or snow just brakes and oil seals to do .then jobs will be done for a while

Chains? Sounds like Irishman Rally. Might see you there.

you are right don't want to do any deep river crossing though don't like the water going though things

Hi Tonybuick, I read with interest the issues you have had with your Buick rear wheel bearings. I trust they are sorted out now.? I would be interested to know how you removed the old inner races from your car?, and where the new ones made locally or sourced from a bearing supplier.? Regards.

hi, it's been a few years since i did the bearings and have had no problems i used the disc grinder on the bearings and almost cut through to the diff housing then split it with a cold chisel i don't think there was enough room for a puller because of the back plate or my puller wasn't strong enough to remove it you need to drill the rivet out

i will have a look tomorrow for the paperwork on the bearings and see if it's got more info on it but i got the inner sleeve from a bearing shop in Australia that deals in old bearings and old stock, and they got the sleeves from usa  they told me i brought the last ones i got a spare set as well 

for the rollers and the outer sleeve which goes in the wheel i got them of a bearing shop and they were cheaper and had more rollers than the one bobs buick sells i should have paperwork for that 

but i had no luck buying the bearings in new zealand and they are hard to get i couldn't get front wheel bearings ether but i changed them out to tapered rollers 

i will report back tomorrow we have a holiday due to the queen dyeing

  

hi if you look at the pictures it should answer a lot of your questions i was unable to source any of these bearings in new zealand where do you live you may have more luck if you live in usa

you can see in one of the pictures how i removed the sleeve by grinding then i split it with a cold chisel so as not to grind the diff housing 

i brought the rollway bearings which came with the sleeve the rollers and the outer sleeve which fits in the wheel the sleeve which goes onto the diff was to short needs to be longer for the oil seal to run on so i brought some longer sleeves from surplus bearings 

if i was doing it again i would buy the rollway bearing and machine up a sleeve for the seal to run on push that onto diff first then bearing sleeve on would save a lot of money and the longer sleeve was really hard to get and the bearing shop said i brought the last ones, but you can never believe that i have done about 4500 miles on the bearings with no problems the last picture shows the difference between the rollway bearing and what the buick should have about 20 mm to short id machine up sleeve next time thanks tony

Edited September 25, 2022 by tonybuick (see edit history)

Hi Tony, Thank you for all the info and photos you have forwarded. It makes life a bit easier to proceed with the same sort of project at my end. Trust your Buick is running well.