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  1. Model 20 oil capacity

    Thanks Phil, David and Ken, I need to drop the top of my petcock tube a bit more to get exactly 3/4 inch. Looking at the diagram Ken, the top of the petcock tube is exactly in line with where the top of the oil scoop (bottom of big end) would be at the bottom of the stroke. It is interesting that the end of the big end bolt and nut "blocks" the oil scoop. When putting my motor together we thought about that and worried that the bolt would form a "groove" in the oil and the immediately following oil scoop may be running in that groove and not picking up enough oil. So we reversed the big end bolts so the oil scoop has clear access to the oil. Probably worrying about nothing. Cheers, Andrew.
  2. Triumph Super Seven

    Paul, That is not bungee cord actually but something we in my part of Australia call "Paramatta Rope". It is woven blue and yellow rope with Blue and Yellow being the colours of the Paramatta Rugby League Club (Rugby League being a very popular sport on the eastern parts of Australia) - hence the name. It is very strong rope and while I would never advocate towing that load with only one or two points tied down, I would wager you could tow that a fair distance and it would never come off. Bernie, I have been silently following many of your restorations on this forum and am looking forward to seeing you to go to work on the Triumph! Cheers, Andrew.
  3. Model 20 oil capacity

    Hi All, In between outings with the Hup Model 20 (only displays with minimal driving so far), I have been investigating the propensity of the car to throw so much oil out of the front of the crankcase so readily. While I understand that these cars have a tendency to do this, mine seems to take things to the extreme! I took the camshaft plate / cover off the side of the crankcase to see what actual oil levels I had at the top of the petcock tubes. This was an interesting exercise that I should have done earlier. I found that the top of the petcock tubes were quite high in relation to the throw of the crankshaft and I suspect that the big ends were dragging through quite a bit of oil contributing to my problem and also probably causing some drag on the crankshaft as it made it's way through the oil bath. The other interesting thing I discovered is that the capacity of the front crankcase compartment is much smaller than the rear crankcase compartment. ie. adding the same quantity in each will not result in the same level. The rear compartment has extra space under the crankshaft output. I dropped the level of my petcock tubes by adding spacers where they screw into the bottom of the crankcase. This is an easy way of adjusting the height of the tubes inside the crankcase without making any irreversible cuts. I then jacked the car up as high as I could (to simulate going uphill) and checked to make sure the big ends would still scoop oil. In case any one is interested, I have included some photos. In one you can see the void under the camshaft drive gear which results in more oil being required in the rear compartment. Any thoughts or comments certainly appreciated. Cheers, Andrew/
  4. Hupmobile Model 20 Poster`

    Yes, in my experience with the Hup 20, to try and drive with your hands on the wheel as shown in that beautiful poster is asking for trouble....lots of trouble!
  5. Basic question on Knight engines

    Hi Everyone, I thought some here might be interested in some pics of my Minerva engine when I had it apart recently (and one of engine in the car). Regards to all. Andrew.
  6. VALE EDGAR BOWEN

    Hi All, I too was very sorry to learn of Edgar's passing. He was enthusiastic and very supportive when I obtained my Hupmobile and provided information and advice. I am attaching a couple of low res pics that Edgar sent me of the trip he did in his Model 20 from Gympie to Sydney and return (for non Australian's that is a considerable distance) - I suspect he sent them to me by way of encouragement as to the potential reliability and drive-ability of these vehicles ( I love all his luggage strapped to the fender / mudguard!). RIP Edgar and condolences to his friends and family. Regards to all, Andrew.
  7. Model 20 Running

    That's great news Phil! I think if you blank off the bottom of the original manifold and then make up an adapter for the Holley NH that will give you the option of either carb without altering the manifold? I run a Holley but my car came with the manifold cut off. I had to make an adapter to fit the Holley as the bolt holes are slightly different. Cheers, Andrew.
  8. Model 20 Carbide Generator

    Hi Phil, My torpedo hasn't got a generator yet but I have a photo of the generator mounted on the other torpedo here in Australia. As you can see, the door would hit it. This car is a very early restoration (1950's). Looking closely at the photos, I think when rebuilding the body they didn't even put a door on the drivers side (can't see a hinge). This was the first car I ever drove (when about 10!) and also drove it 10 years ago. As most cars of that era are difficult to enter through the drivers side (due to brake and gear levers, spare tires etc.) I don't recall noticing that being unusual. This car also has what I believe to be an unusual feature for a torpedo in that the fuel (gas) cap protrudes through the body work so you don't have to lift the boot (trunk lid) to access. Here is a photo of another car which is not a torpedo but is similar in terms of scuttle and doors (but it doesn't have the rounded back - just an exposed fuel tank like the runabouts). I'm not sure what this body type is called. Again generator is mounted on drivers side running board - this car may not have a drivers side door either - I can't tell. The only period picture I have seen of a torpedo doesn't show any generator and I think the lighting shown may be electric? Another period photo - not a torpedo but it does have doors and again has the tower style carbide generator. Interestingly the style of front guards the car has allows the generator to be mounted well forward of the door but the horn tubing looks like it would prevent the door opening. Heres one without doors but showing a Prest-o-lite I would love to see some detailed pics of your torpedo - there don't seem to be too many around. Regards, Andrew.
  9. Model 20 flywheel

    Following on from my last post, here is a photo of the petcocks on my car before I shortened them: And, just for interest, is a picture of my car out and about:
  10. Model 20 flywheel

    Hi Max and all, Thanks for the info. I have had minor success with seals between the flywheel and crankcase. One thing I have noticed is that the petcocks on my car were quite long, meaning I have been putting a lot of oil. See this thread: I have cut the tubes on my petcocks back to what Karl's are in this photo (about 1.5 inches from bottom of thread) down from nearly 2 inches. This results in significantly less oil in the motor (I was putting in about 2 litres into the crankcase). I'm sorry I missed the Singleton Rally but my car has just been leaking too much oil to properly enjoy. We'll see how it goes with the shorter petcock tubes. Fingers crossed. Cheers, Andrew.
  11. Model 20 flywheel

    Well, I got an oil seal that seems to fit ok in behind the flywheel. Installed it today and then started the car briefly (no radiator!) and lo and behold, no oil leaking out. How long the seal will last I wouldn't like to say. However I wired together the bolts that hold the crank handle to the front cross member which enables to me to easily remove the crank handle without removing the radiator (which I have had to do until now as the bolts turn under the radiator when undoing the nuts). This means I just have to remove the front apron and crank handle to access the flywheel with the puller and get it off. That way I can fairly easily try different seals or materials if my current fix doesn't last long....
  12. Model 20 flywheel

    Got a two arm puller which popped the flywheel straight off so that was the trick. Now to see if I can come up with a seal to fit in between flywheel and crank case...
  13. Model 20 flywheel

    G'day Hup fans, Any tips for pulling the flywheel off the Hup 20 motor? I have had mine off before but am struggling to get it off this time. I'm thinking a 2 arm bearing puller of the right size (which I don't have) may be the best to fit in between the fan blades. Currently using a 3 arm puller which I can't get an even pressure on. My car is leaking too much oil out the crank case behind the flywheel so am going to try and see if I can get a modern oil seal in there. I know they did this from new to a certain extent but the amount oil my car is spraying out is too much and oil is getting everywhere (and I haven't taken it for a decent drive yet...). I also lose oil from the mag cover. I have a metal baffle in there but someone mentioned an oil seal in the cover itself? I don't see how one could fit?? As usual - any help , tips, suggestions gratefully received. Regards, Andrew.
  14. 1910 Hupp adventure with magneto

    That's a bummer David - does that mean you have to take the camshaft out of the side plate? Or does the cam gear come off the end ok? Was it a fibre cam gear? I am still trying to sort my Model 20. It starts and idles beautifully and has been fine in the few parades I've taken it in this year. However, it just seems to always stumble on acceleration and I can't work out if its spark or fuel. However I think it may have been too retarded as I have recently advanced the magneto gear and am only now at about 15 degrees BTDC. So we'll see. Good luck with your repairs - hope its sorted quickly. It's a lovely looking car. Regards, Andrew.
  15. Hup 20 in period movie

    Hi All, I found this clip of the movie "A Jitney Elopement" from 1915 starring Charlie Chaplin. This really demonstrates the superiority of the Hup Model 20 over the Model T Ford!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiTaPSlFUdE I wonder if this is the only period film footage of a Hup 20 still around? Cheers, Andrew.