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  1. Chrycoman

    1937 Supercharged Graham

    Graham offered supercharging, Roots design, on their eight cylinder models prior to 1936, and then on sixes from 1936 to the end for 1941. The last eight cylinder Graham was built in 1935. The superchargers on the sixes were driven off a belt on the front of the engine, much like mechanical power steering. My father owned a 1936 Graham Supercharger 4 door touring sedan. He said the supercharger was not meant for racing or fast take offs from standing still, but for highway driving and passing. It gave the driver more power when it was needed. The only thing he did not like was the fact the supercharged engine used an aluminum head and thus had problems with blow head gaskets. He purchased the Graham in 1941 and traded it for a 1940 Plymouth in 1950.
  2. The tag you show was normal for that era. Not much info as there was not much in the way of options. That T-3 should remain as it has information on the Transmission - Fluid Drive instead of the normal clutch and flywheel, coupled with the three speed manual transmission. Most options were dealer installed as well - radio, heater, fog lights, license plate frames, wheel covers, wheel shields - they were usually put in the trunk for the dealer to install. Might have info listed as - MODEL BODY NO C30 02 1048 PAINT TRIM TRANS 226 3 SCHEDULE DEALER 82 - 601 18 1 01 You could choose a cloth and colour of your liking to install and place a code to match under Trim. Bill Vancouver, BC
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    Help ID this Rambler.. '59?

    Yes, the Deluxe series had only two headlamps as standard from 1958 through 1960. For 1961 they moved the headlamps into the grille and that ended the single headlamps for the Deluxe models.
  4. Chrycoman

    Paint Color - any idea?

    Nothing exact, although Champagne Ivory is little darker than the colour on the car. Champagne Ivory was Nash code P-23 and was used from 1950 to 1953. Have attached a couple of scans of Nash paint charts. Problems with these scans is that many are done with cameras instead of scanners, so you land up with darker images due to light problems, or, lack of light problems. And monitors also present a problem due to colour settings. If you are going to do searches for a particular paint colour it is best to use a paint manufacturer's code as many times names were used by more than one company to describe different shades of colours. Some paint manufacturer codes for 1950-1953 Nash P-23, Champagne Ivory : Ditzler - 80437 Acme - 6783 Rinshed-Mason - 50N71 Sherwin-Williams - 43885 (lacquer) - 33284 (enamel) DuPont - 246-81509 (lacquer) - 93-81509 (enamel)
  5. Checked the Canadian 1940 parts book (the Canadian parts books before WW II had the US interior trim codes most years, but not the Canadian) and code 739 is for blue broadcloth. For Chrysler, when the 1941 models were introduced colours included Polo Green Light Metallic (326) and Polo Green Dark Metallic (314, 315). At serial numbers 7,668,675 (Royal), 7,917,851 (Windsor), 6,758,411 (Saratoga), 6,631,100 (New Yorker) the metallic Polo Green colours were replaced with - Polo Green Light (345, 346) and Polo Green Dark (334, 335) - non-metallic. Bill Vancouver, BC
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    In Britain during the 1930's Plymouth, DeSoto and Chrysler were all sold as Chryslers by Chrysler Motors, Ltd., Richmond, Surrey, a wholly owned subsidiary of Chrysler Corporation, Detroit. For 1936 the P2 Plymouth DeLuxe (3-1/8" bore) was sold in the UK as the Wimbledon Six.. They also had a P2X (2-7/8" bore) sold as the Kew Six. RHD chassis (113" wheelbase) were imported from Detroit. Other cars in the UK 1936 Chrysler line included Airflows - Croydon (DeSoto Six), Heston (Chrysler Eight), Royal (Chrysler Imperial Eight). The Airstream Six (C7) was marketed as the Richmond Six and the Airstream Eight (C8) as the Kingston Eight. The UK cars also had 12v electrics. But that Carlton convertible is one gorgeous car!
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    1926 Chry. Vin. number

    In the 1920's Chrysler Corp. contracted with different body companies. The Chrysler F 58 used bodies by Fisher for their open and closed models, while the H 60 used Fisher for the sedans and Chrysler (Kercheval plant) for coupes. The also used Fisher for G 70 open and closed models. The I 52 used Budd bodies. GM acquired total control of Fisher Body in 1926 and served notice that as of the end of the 1927 model year GM was cancelling all contracts to supply bodies for non-GM products. Briggs replaced Fisher Body. .
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    1960-1964 Valiant/Lancer

    Chrysler never offered a clock installed on the instrument panel of the Valiant, Lancer, or Dart. The steering column clock was offered as a dealer installed package on 1961-1962 Valiants and Lancers (code 1-21-1, part number 2290 424). As it was offered on the Lancer, it was avalable in the U.S. The 1961-62 Lancer was never built nor sold in Canada. .
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    52 Imperial

    Those 145½" wheelbase Crown Imperials came as 8 passenger sedans or 8 passenger limousines. The limous had the partition. Both had full front and rear seats with 2 jump seats in the rear compartment. For the 1949-1952 models : Chrysler Crown Imperial (145½") - 609 sedans (8p) and 588 limousines Chrysler Saratoga (139½") - 183 sedans (8p) and 0 limousines (1951-1952) Chrysler Windsor Deluxe (139½") - 720 sedans (8p) and 152 limousines (1951-1952) Chrysler Windsor (139½") - 1,769 sedans (8p) and 247 limousines Chrysler Royal (139½") - 560 sedans (8p) and 0 limousines (1949-1950) DeSoto DeLuxe (139½") - 578 sedans (8) and 0 limousines DeSoto Taxi (139½") - 5,760 sedans (8) with partition DeSoto Custom (139½") - 1,825 sedans (8) and 0 limousines DeSoto Custom Suburban (139½") - 1,352 sedans (9 pass) - full seat in place of jump seats and fold up seats in rear for access to trunk compartment. DeSoto Firedome (139½") - 80 sedans (8) and 0 limousines (1952) Dodge Coronet (137½") - 3,207 sedans (8) and 0 limousines (1949-1951) 1949-1952 TOTAL - 16,643 sedans and 987 limousines DeSoto shipped taxi bodies in white to Waters Co, who completed taxi conversion and painted the bodies Chrysler continued with this body through 1954 updating the front clip and windshield. Production for the two years came to 1,949 sedans, 3,700 taxis and 188 limousines for DeSoto and Chrysler combined. A major update was done for 1955 with Chrysler expecting the demand for the LWB taxi to continue. LWB wheelbase was now 149.5". But NYC scrapped the LWB taxi regulations in 1954 in favour of standard sedans. Thus only the 1955 and 1956 Crown Imperials continued with Chrysler-built LWB models - 96 sedans and 302 limousines in total. And for 1957 Chrysler went with Ghia to supply the LWB limous. That 1950 Crown Imperial has "U.S.A. 178564" painted on the underside of the hood. This one may have originally belonged to the US military. Cadillac 67 and 75 LWB models and Packard Clippers were common cars as general staff cars in WW II. Somewhere along the line the straight eight was replaced by a hem V8.
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    1930 Chrysler 77 price, and model #

    In the late 1920's Chrysler used numbers to denote the series, from 5x to 8x. The smallest were the 4 cylinder 5x models which became the Plymouth model Q for 1929. Next up was Chrysler's small six, model 6x and then the big six, model 7x. Top of the line was the model 80 Chrysler Imperial. The number, at least initially, was the top speed of the car. The engine size and wheelbase increased as the series number increased. 1926 - 58, 60, 70, 80 Imperial 1927 - 50, 60, 70, 80 Imperial 1928 - 52, 62, 72, 80 Imperial 1929 - 65, 75, 80 Imperial 1930 - 66, 70, 77, 80 Imperial (models went into production in July, 1929, before the Chrysler Building was finished. The Royal Sedan prices for the 66 series - $1,065, 70 series - $1,395, 77 series - $1,795, and 80 Imperial 4dr Sedan - $3,075. 1929 Plymouth Four model Q 4dr Sedan - $695 and DeSoto Six model K 4dr Sedan - $885 Nice range of prices, from Plymouth to Chrysler Imperial. A lower priced Six was added in March, 1930, model CJ, priced at $845 for the Royal Sedan. That would not have helped DeSoto sales.
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    1937 Dodge Brothers help

    Codes 580 and 581 were used on 1937 Dodges for Dodge Blue. It was a Canada-only colour and is a dark blue. Code 580 had the body done in Dodge Blue with the fenders black and a wheel stripe in Packard Ivory. Code 581 was the same but with the fenders in Dodge Blue. The same shade of blue was available on Plymouths (Plymouth Blue), DeSotos (DeSoto Blue) and Chryslers (Chrysler Blue). And the shade was available on Dodge and Fargo Trucks. It was used again in 1938 and 1939. Pre-war Chrysler of Canada cars were done in lacquer paint while the trucks were done in enamel. After WW II Chrysler of Canada used enamel paints on all its cars and trucks. General Motors of Canada also switched to enamel paint after the war, and switched back to lacquer after the Oshawa plant began building cars for the U.S. market in 1968-69. Sherwin-Williams of Canada used code P-1193 for the lacquer version of Dodge Blue while the enamel was X-18111. C.I.L. code for Dodge Blue, in lacquer, was 246-8629. Sherwin-Williams of Canada had the following formula for Dodge Blue (using 1930's tints and paints) - 43½ parts Prussian Blue 5 Parts Bone Black 1½ parts White Attached is the paint chip for the 1937 Dodge Blue from the Sherwin-Williams of Canada paint chip book for Canadian-built 1937 cars. By the way, the tag that you found the paint colour on should have the model number on the first line and the interior trim code as the bottom line. Paint is line 3 and body number is line 2. Thus the first line should tell you what you have. D5 would be the US-style Dodge Custom Six, D6 the base, Plymouth-sized, Six and D7 the Plymouth-sized DeLuxe Six. The D6 was also built in the U.S. for export markets.
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    DeSoto VIN

    According to Chrysler Corporation's Model Chart and Serial Number Guide for the DeSoto S11C at the Detroit plant - 1946 - 5,784,001 to 5,825,784 1947 - 5,825,485 to 5,885,815 1948 - 5,885,816 to 5,962,601 The 1946 models went into production at the end of the 1945 calendar year, 1947 model year began on January 1, 1947, and the 1948 series began in December, 1947. Production ended in January, 1949. The marketing people declared that cars built from December 1, 1948 (serial number 5,948,453) to the end of production were 1949 models. The Engineering Department, though, stuck to having the 1948 model year end in January, 1949. Now, the big problem with the 1946 to 1948 Chrysler Corporation cars is that virtually no changes were done year to year to easily tell them apart. Thus your 1947 DeSoto looks exactly the same as the 1948. So, the car dealer had a 1947 DeSoto on the lot and someone was looking for a new DeSoto and this car may have been exactly what he was looking for. To keep the new car owner happy and able to brag that he bought a brand new 1948 DeSoto, that 1947 DeSoto became a 1948 DeSoto. Or the title was issued in calendar year 1948 in a state that permits the calendar year a car is first sold to be recorded as the model year. Either scenario, your "1947" DeSoto is a 1948. Model years and calendar years are two different things. Calendar years always start on January 1 and end on December 31. Model years begin when a manufacturer says it does and ends when the manufacturer says it does. Many times a model year is less than twelve months. And many are more.
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    Body Number???

    The D22 was the 119.5" wheelbase Dodge built in the US and Canada. The DeLuxe series was not built nor sold in Canada. Both US and Canadian plants built cars for domestic and export markets. 31,681 DeLuxe models were built in the US of which 13,343 were 4 door sedans. Custom production came to 36,841 in total (US and Canada) with 22,055 4 door sedans in total. (Do not have a break down between US and Canada). The D23 was the Plymouth-based 117" wheelbase Dodge, also built in the US and Canada. The US-built cars were for export only, including Hawaii, at the Plymouth plant on Lynch Road. The Canadian plant built for Canada and export. . 2880S was the 2,880th 4 door sedan, with the "S" for sedan. Each body style had a letter (or more). Very good possibility bodies were not taken in sequence for production on the assembly line. Bodies were assembled and painted and then put aside to be used when needed. Or someone may have replaced the body. That does happen when someone finds a car with a solid chassis and powertrain but a body that missing parts and is full of holes. If you want you can get the build record from Chrysler Historical which can confirm the body, colour and any options installed. Dodge built their own bodies at Dodge Main (Hamtramck) as did Chrysler Canada at their Windsor plant. Chrysler of Canada had a plate on the firewall having the model number, body number, paint code and trim code. Plymouth bodies for the Detroit plant were built by Briggs Body at their Mack Avenue plant. Briggs bodies had a body plate number that had a body code unique for each series, the body plant (if not the Mack Ave plant) and the sequential body number.
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    1941 Plymouth 4 door sedan ID

    In 1941 only American-buit Plymouths had a "Special DeLuxe" series. P-11 : Six P11D : DeLuxe P-12 : Special DeLuxe . The serial number should be on a plate attached to the passenger side front door hinge post. The serial number can help determine which series it is and also which assembly plant built it. The serial number might also be stamped on the chassis frame. I believe it should be on the passenger side just ahead of the front axle. It probably is buried under umpteen years or mud and grime.
  15. That's what I get for not wearing my glasses when checking numbers in parts books - Front fenders - right - enamel : Plymouth PE - 621188 Dodge DR, DS, DT - 621133 Chrysler CA, CB - 621188