Question on rules

[jonlabree]

I have noticed from reading several clubs judging rule that the rules are not the same for all of the clubs.

Why is that? I mean basic rules...

JON...

[Guest John W. Harvey]

JON,

I think it is pretty straight forward.... every club has their own mission, goals, objectives, etc. I belong to and judge with the AACA, VCCA, and NMCOA and all 3 are different in judging and scoring.

I would strongly suggest to anyone new with a judging system in any club.... get the judging manual if available and attend any judging schools and/or seminars that might be available to familiarize yourself with the judging rules/procedures of that given organization.

John

[jonlabree]

Is there no common head leading this organization?

I speak form experience coming from the Dog show world where the AKC controls

all breed clubs. They have a specific rules about judging each breed, but where there are certian rules that apply to all breeds. I have judged dogs for 22 years and have studied all of the AKC's rules.

But coming to the auto clubs and reading some of the judging rules is seems that there is no common thread. Each club

seems to have a different version of the rules. Now don't get me wrong, as in dogs all cars are not the same. But basic rules between clubs are not even followed the same. It seems as though each club and make of car are judging them by their own set of rules.

I will give you an example: the first rule "Fire extinguisher". The AACA rules say "Failure to have an approved fire extinguisher results in disqualification"

Then for example: the BCA rules say, "The car should not be judged if an operational UL approved fire extinguisher is not displayed" Nothing about if they work or are charged.

I have been to sevral "Buick shows including the nationls last summer. I failed to notice ANY fire extinguishers being displayed in or on the cars. Yet all of the cars entered were judged. Even all of the classes are not always available.

I am talking basic rules not nitpicking rules, like vale cap color.

Which I think is rather stupid.

My 2 cents.

JON....

[Guest John W. Harvey]

No, there is no overseeing body for all car clubs. Each club is independent. However, all AACA National meets must adhere to the AACA rules. Likewise, all VCCA National meets must adhere to the VCCA rules.

To further muddy the picture.... a local AACA region can hold a local, not "National" meet and use any rules they see fit.

The NMCOA (National Monte Carlo Owners Association) does not require a fire extinguisher. In fact, we don't even have an official rule book. We "adjust" our meet as needed on a annual basis. We just make certain that we advertise the classes and guidelines to the membership. Our main goal is to have fun and enjoy the fellowship.

John

[Shop Rat]

I would like to add this regarding fire extinguishers. As a safety item to protect the investment you have in any antique car you should have one with you whenever you take the car out.

Case in point. Several years ago one of our members had recently purchased a "new" antique car to add to his collection. He forgot to put an extinguisher in it before he brought it to our local AACA show. As luck would have it Estell (the car owner), our friend Rodger and Bill and I were the last to leave the show field. As Estell fired up the car it backfired into the paper air filter and caught it on fire. He jumped out of the car and raised the hood and started beating on the fire with his jacket, but no luck. Bill grabbed our extinguisher from our RV (show office) and gave it to Rodger who ran to us to get it and put the fire out. If we had already left the car would have been a total loss. There were not any cellphones there and no close-by pay phone.

So the moral is: Don't worry about the rule to have or not have one. Have one.

[Peter Gariepy]

63Viking,

To answer your question directly. There is no governing body over the car hobby relative to judging. Each club has it's own rules, etc.

Peer

[Jay Wolf]

Cars and Dogs are different; you usually don?t modify a dog, or restore an old dog when it is all wore out.

Dogs are pretty much the way they came out of the factory.

Also as far as fire extinguishers the need for one on a pre-48 especially pre-15 is a lot greater than the need of one with a newer car. So AACA covers all the bases and requires them.

As far as Dog of AKC does not rule all in the dog world, I used to have Australian Shepherds and they were control by The National Stock Dog Registry.

NSDR does have different rules than AKC even the big ones.

NSDR does not allow any inbreeding.

[jonlabree]

I have news for you your dog is now controled by the AKC.

And besides I was only talking about this country.

[jonlabree]

Next you guys will be telling me that there is no politcs in the car show business........

Just trying to bring some organization into the auto world.

Didn't mean to spoil everthing for you.

[Peter J.Heizmann]

Jon...

You are not spoiling a thing from what I have read within this thread.

As others have posted, there is a mind-boggling number of car clubs, not to mention a huge amount of "marque clubs".

Did a quick Google search: "Car Clubs USA. It returned no less than 4,050,000 clubs, and, or, hits, of an extremely wide range of makes, or, interests".

The search was just the USA. There is also a huge hobby in other countries.

Again, as others have posted, clubs have such a wide range of judging criteria, that, I cannot fathom anyone has the time to bring, i.e.--4,050,000 clubs under one umbrella of judging such as the AKC.

Now, you are asking the question on the AACA Forum. Please read our mission statement, on-line judging rules. That is what we go by here and I hope it assists you with your question as it applies to the AACA Forum members, of whom, posted a response.

As for fire extinguishers, well, I would not think twice about driving any vehicle without one...never know when it could be your "other best friend"...!!!

From my experience, should an extinguisher not be fully charged, well, may as well not have one. I see the importance of having one anywhere. In this case, I have imagined such a wide variety of cars at any show, parked next to eachother. Who is to say when your neighbor's car may short out and torch your vehicle, plus, who knows how many others. Would be a disaster scenario at best, but, at least you retain a front-line defense by having an extinguisher at hand.

Keeping a fully charged extinguisher in my family's daily drivers and one in my used car (1972 TR6) is absolutely mandatory. (I believe that is the AACA's reason, and, a damn good one at that!)

As for correct tire valve caps, valve covers, or, any other part: The sole purpose of the AACA is the preservation of vehicles, 25 years and older, as they left the factory.

As for politics, well, if you put more than one person in a meeting, it is inevitable. Believe me, I know as I wind down a 1.75 year volunteer Councilman appointment here in Mt. Penn, PA.

Regards and keep posting,

Peter J. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[novaman]

As for having the fire extingusher, it doesn't hurt to even carry them in the modern day vehicle.

It was about two years ago I believe, on a Sunday morning that I had drove my '95 Dodge 3500 over to my parents (about 1.5) for breakfast then returned to my house. About an hour later I headed for church with the truck. 5 block drive but noticed a funny "tinging" sound. Got to the church and opened the door. noise was coming from under the truck. Turned the key off, engine kept running (Cummins diesel). Grabbed fire ex. popped hood release. opened the hood to find an electrical fire. extinghued that then dumped the rest on the air intake to shut the engine down.

You just never know when you'll need it.