Guest stude8 Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 The first day of the 2003 Harry A. Miller Club Meet at Milwaukee, WI today had a huge turnout of 41 cars ranging in age from 1911 through 1964. There were five cars in the 1911-13 era present. See images under "Other Makes" category in the AACA photo gallery.Eleven examples of Harry Miller ingenuity were on hand, you could see rear drive, front drive, supercharged, out board brakes, in board brakes and the popular 1931 Chuck Davis car #27 with its 16 cylinder "Dual 8" engine. Stude8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDale Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Dear Stude8,I will be the "dummy"i have been called worse.Who was Harry A. Miller and what was his history.Thanks for the photos,looked like a GREAT day.diz <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Harry Miller was the GREATEST race car designer America produced. His cars won more INDY 500's than anyone else. Ettorie Bugatti stole a lot of Miller designs, but to be fair Miller also improved upon earlier twin cam race engine designs. THE book to have is The Miller Dynasty by the late Mark Dees. Miller was a true genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Dale, Click onto the attachment. This is a photo of a blown 122 Miller eight at INDY in 1925. The car was bought new by Ira Vail in 1924 for $15,000,and shipped back to the East Coast, but it stopped to race where ever it could along the way. It finished in 8th place in INDY.The story goes that Vail would win the cost of a race car in one season then sell the car and buy another new one. This one was sold in 1925 to H.D.Carpenter in Philadelphia,a very wealthy sportsman, for $6,500.,who hired R.J. Johnson to manage and drive the car for the 1925 season. Johnson was injured at a race on the board track in Charlotte and Ira Vail once again drove the car at INDY in 1925. A broken rod on lap 63 ended his day in 20th place. Carpenter sold the 122 to Mrs. Yagel of Philadelphia (who owned the INDY winner of 1929)where it went after that is unclear.Mr. Carpenter NEVER threw away any paperwork! About 30 years ago I got all the related papers that went with the 122 Miller and 1919 Hudson INDY Car. He ran the 1919 Hudson on the streets of Philadelphia, when it was not racing on the weedends. This is the same car that was found on a used car lot in the late 1940's. Cammeron Peck, Lyndley Bothwell and Bill Harrah once owned it. It exists today somewhere on the West Coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDale Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 Dear 1937hd45,THANKS for the history lesson,MUST have been an UNBELIEVABLE man.Any chance you are going to the Ford V-8 concours in Dearborn on Thursday the 24th.diz <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 Hi Dale, Sure wish I was closer to Dearborn. If you have time (and it is on display) look at the Miller-Ford Indy car that is in the collection. This is one of 10 built by Miller for INDY in 1935. Front wheel drive and flathead V8 powered.Have fun! Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 Here is a good website with a Harry A. Miller bio. http://discover-net/~dchs/history/exmiller.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 The INDY museum always has a few Millers on display, easily recognised by the grille. 1937hd45, by AACA standards would the 122 be a hotrod that was raced or a race car that was hotrodded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 I think the bloodlines on all Miller cars are pure thoroughbred, along with Alfa, and Bugatti, and later with Ferrari. Many GREAT early Hot Rodders worked on Millers and later Offies when Fred Offenhauser took over the company. Stew Hilborn whow was the first to get a working fuel injection system up and running transformed INDY car racing in the 1950's. Miller did manufacture the Miller-Schofield overhead valve head, later sold as a Cragar, This same head is being made today for Model A & B Ford owners that want a bit more zip in their cars. The Miller carburetors were not as common as the Winfields but they did see use on early Dry Lakes "Hot Rods". I've always tought of a Hot Rodder as someone that improves on an existing item, Miller created the items. More importantly, he inspired others to take things to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Check out this website! Great photos plus a For Sale secton with a source for "The Miler Dynasty" by Mark Dees, one of the best books I have in my collectin. www.Milleroffy.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Another site to see a Miller is www.emmr.org . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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