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If you don't ocassionlly divert your eyes, you'll pretty much become catatonic.  I'd go so farvtonsay that if you were never to glance at your instrument panel, the car manufacturer would build all the cars info into a set of earphones.  Then you wouldn't need a radio, cup holders, window switches, etc.  Did you ever wonder why interstate highways aren't built in a perfectly straight line?  It's to keep you alert.  Otherwise, you'd be falling asleep at the wheel. (And I don't need any Ray Benson references!)

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Thanks Bruce!!!       It seems they just don't GET IT!!!!.

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22 minutes ago, Ben Bruce aka First Born said:

I will ride with you any time, Tom. 

 

Then you can tell him how fast he's going and what the oil pressure is. ;) 

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Sorry, I didn't have any intention of starting a heated discussion about how we drive and perceive reality. I too think it is important to look at other things than blindly concentrate on the road which is likely to, as Ed mention, get us to " be falling asleep at the wheel ".

I would also be delighted to go for a ride with Tom if that opportunity ever materialize and, as mentioned, I do think his setup is a better practical solution than mine and hope that he can get his camera to upload a picture or two of the setup.

 

I always need to be extremely alert the last 10km (~6miles) to my home as I am driving through the most kangaroo infested area in Australia. There are normally close to 50 dead kangaroos at the side of this highly used country road (some on it too) that are constantly being replaced by 2+ new ones every week. I lower the speed, avoid driving in the dark and bad weather but still I had a kangaroo jumping into the right hand door skin a few years ago whilst getting out of our gate at ~10kph (6mph), I did notice it in my peripheral vision but not a chance to do that much when it comes in from the side. This is probably one of the reasons why I am so concerned with having the eyes on the road and use my "special" instruments in the way as mentioned above. Kangaroos are nice but not on the road, maybe I should be glad that we don't have any moose here.

 

Anyhow, sorry if I upset anyone. That wasn't my intention. I am certain that most, maybe all, of us car lowers are really good drivers as we do love our cars.

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In the 1950's the big pick up lie was "I was a fighter pilot in WWII". Get that impressionable girl in your car with the array of analog gauges, bombsight shift indicators, and all that techie stuff.

 

Me, I shoveled coal into the ship's boilers. No gauges, but the car was upscale a notch or two. The impressionable girl's father looked between the Venetian blinds at the boy's Riviera in the driveway. The girl ran into the house all giggly and Dad said "Nice car that boy has." She said "It's got door handles in the back seat!" Yep, he was impressionable. Married her anyway. Didn't need no gauges, still don't.

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10 minutes ago, SwedeDownUnderR63 said:

Sorry, I didn't have any intention of starting a heated discussion about how we drive and perceive reality.

Nah, that's fine. You get a chance to "gauge" their reactions. AND some of those red corpuscles get warmed up.

 

Isn't Tidaholm, Sweden where they started making matches. A little fire don't hurt.

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I think that you'd all be impressed if Tom were to tell you who chose to ride with him on a part of a Power Tour some years ago.  It might not have been "THE" Power Tour, but it was something similar.

 

 

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The Power Tour is a rolling party.  The Silver State Challenge is the event for drivers. ? 

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I switched to synthetic 25+ years back .....when Mobil 1 and Amsoil were the only players.    An article in a racing magazine was enough to convince me they were at least worth the extra $$

The article used industrial (SAE?) testing for oil and there were several test showing the superior performance of the synthetics...

The main one I remember...... the test used two round solid blocks of steel.   The bottom one was stationary and the upper one turned at a specified RPM,  oil was covered the face of the bottom block and the top one

was then lowered with a preload.....to pass the test the oil could not fail... for a specific time (at the given RPM and pressure)   failure was the oil being displaced and the blocks would overheat and damage the surface of the blocks.

The synthetics had no problem passing,  so they increased the load (don't recall the numbers) and ran it until it failed.......which was several times longer than the standard test, even with a higher preload 

Very impressive.

I don't know if synthetic makes sense in a collector car that is only driven 200-500 miles per year,  although it might make perfect sense since they sit for weeks at a time without being started and the synthetic might give you added protection at that point.

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On 10/17/2018 at 2:41 AM, SwedeDownUnderR63 said:

Hi Tom,

I am afraid that it is an illusion if one think that one still have the eyes on the road while looking at any instrument. That is probably why so many nowadays thinks they can text and drive without any issues but they are just fooled by how our brain works. Admittedly your setup will minimize the time getting the information compared to my setup which, admittedly, will take longer and increase the risk.

However, I do get the benefit of being able to look at the oil pressure at startup and I can also see it with not that much of a risk at lower speeds to get an understanding of where it is at. I am also more concerned with the temperature at lower speeds and especially at stand still. As for you I still have the idiots lights that will alert me when something goes really bad. I am spoiled as I have the pleasure of traveling most of the time with my wife who also look at the gauges from time to time although probably not very frequent as she enjoys the Riviera rides too much.

 

I am still interested in seeing your setup and would appreciate any pictures. I did investigate different options that would have allowed me to get the information that I wanted without impact on the, in my view, beautiful instrument layout in my 63 but couldn't find anything better then what I selected. The -63 Riviera that I had in Sweden between 1976 and 1982 came (from previous owner) with the gauges on top of the dash which was very effective from an information point of view but looked really crappy. I do love the functions of the Dakota Digital replacement instruments but couldn't get myself to go down that road as my car would have lost some of the soul that I love so much.

http://www.dakotadigital.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=997/category_id=411/mode=prod/prd997.htm

 

10 hours ago, telriv said:

I COMPLETELY DIS-AGREE WITH ANYBODY WHO SAYS I HAVE TO TAKE MY EYES OFF THE ROAD. THESE ARE ANALOG GAUGES & IF YOU KNOW YOUR CAR/GAUGES YOU WILL KNOW WITH YOUR PEREIFIAL VISION IF SOMETHING IS AMISS WITHOUT TAKING YOUR EYES OFF THE ROAD.

END OF THIS SUBJECT FOR ME.

 

Tom T.

 

 

Tom, I know what you mean and you mean what you say. I'm not good enough with words to describe in vision terms "eyes on the road" and still be aware of what the gauges read. I would say a person has a panoramic view with the gauges in the picture and still able to concentrate on the road ahead. I agree with your explanation describing what you see and what you are aware of on the gauges. Being able to tell the EXACT degree of water temp on the gauge while concentrating on the road ahead may not be possible. However, I would say you can tell from the gauges when she's runnin' hot while still keeping your eyes on the road ahead. ( I can tell when she's runnin' hot when steam comes rolling out from under the hood - only kidding )

Now there may be those will maintain what I say is not accurate regarding panoramic view of the road and gauges. Those that cannot understand seeing the gauge and the road ahead at the same time have what is known is a myopic view.

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I know what my oil pressure, coolant temp. & speed are at ALL times. For the most part I don't use the speedo for speed but, use the tach. I know at what RPM's are at what MPH depending on rear gear ratio. Don't forget I've owned this car for more than 50yrs. with over 300K so I think I know my particular vehicle VERY WELL!!!

 

Tom T.

 

 

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IMHO, one of the best place for a gauge in these cars is the clock opening.  Although if you want more than one gauge there, you might have to go digital.  Which kinda spoils the vibe -- but so does almost any other location.  Console, ashtray, knee-knockers, hanging from the upper lip; they're all aesthetically problematic.

 

OTOH, if you're that worried that something may go that far south so quickly that only a gauge can save you from imminent destruction, maybe you should maintain your car better. ? 

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On 9/30/2018 at 7:35 PM, Bdad said:

I've been reading posts and doing some research on oil and filter choices for 63-64-65 Riv's. I see comments about the possible need/value of adding zinc while others disagree. I've read that using the Diesel version of some oils is good. Some comments about high mileage and some about synthetic blends. Filters - I see negative comments about Fram with positives about Napa Gold and some others. I read a post that showed data on multiple different oils with ratings relating to the degree of protection showing that the higher the score (i..e. over 90,000 is excellent) but the oils that fit that profile appear to be mostly racing oils. If one should add zinc how much...because it appears to much is harmful.

 

So...I'm not coming away with any sort of consensus (which there may not be). I am looking to make sure that when I finally purchase my 63-64-65 Riv I know what good choices for oil/filter on. Weather where I live: Pacific NW.

 

Appreciate some clarity if possible.

Sir, I'm afraid there are a lot of companies trying to get your dollar for their oil product(s). I'm NOT sure there is clarity, at least for me. I'm not sure there are any specific data gathering for engine lubricants by a disinterested party to evaluate what is the best lubricant for our vintage nailhead engines. Synthetic or conventional, don't know which is best for a 55 + nailhead engine. Personally, I use a conventional multi viscosity oil by the same manufacturer. I change the filter every time I change I the oil. I keep oil change records and I change the oil and filter often in my 63 Riviera. I don't run the engine low on oil or coolant, ever. There could be an edge with one brand over an another or synthetic or conventional oil selection. After 54 year of driving all kinds of cars, pick up trucks, and motorcycles I haven't had any problems with engines giving out before I was finished with the engine. There are others that have more experience and knowledge on the subject so you have a lot of good info to digest to determine what is best for you.

RRB

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4 hours ago, KongaMan said:

IMHO, one of the best place for a gauge in these cars is the clock opening.  Although if you want more than one gauge there, you might have to go digital.  Which kinda spoils the vibe -- but so does almost any other location.  Console, ashtray, knee-knockers, hanging from the upper lip; they're all aesthetically problematic.

 

OTOH, if you're that worried that something may go that far south so quickly that only a gauge can save you from imminent destruction, maybe you should maintain your car better. ? 

Mr Konga Man, A while back I saw a car that had the gauges peeking out from under a dome on the hood!  The dome was on the hood in front of the driver.I think it was a Trans AM or some kind of car like that. I'm sure the gauges were lighted so you could see the gauges at night. One of my buddies told me VW had gauges that had an idiot light built in the gauge. I think VW may have had something there with that idea. Your idea of keeping the car maintained is another good idea gauges or not. All of us have choices.

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16 hours ago, KongaMan said:

OTOH, if you're that worried that something may go that far south so quickly that only a gauge can save you from imminent destruction, maybe you should maintain your car better.

 

With digital gauges one should be able to program trigger points that would display a list of things to check if the readings are out of a set parameter. Oil pressure under 5 PSIG- check oil level, charging at a negative rate- see if the belt is on; all those  things that can happen while you drive along. Press the button twice for instructions on how to open the hood.

 

I am going to use the term "aesthetically problematic". My first thought was "tacky", but after thinking about it, there are so many opportunities to bring it into a conversation. Maybe I will spring it on the waitress at lunch today. I had better wear my sport coat with patches on the sleeves if I am going to toss out terms like that.

Bernie

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Being my car has over 300K on it I don't believe I need to do maintain it any better.

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1 hour ago, telriv said:

Being my car has over 300K on it I don't believe I need to do maintain it any better.

That is very impressive Tom! 425 or 401 ? Ever been rebuilt? To what would you most attribute  such longivity ? Im trying to keep from rebuilding mine ( 425) for as long as i can. So far, im at about 140k . I change the oil every 3k miles , keep her tuned as best i can, rarely drive over 70 mph. In short, i baby my car. Thanks in advance for any pointers.

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Smiths has a dual gauge, oil pressure and water temp. I think it's around 2". Meant for MG's and the ilk. Nice gauge, clear lettering and 180 degree sweep for both gauges. Fits perfectly in the clock hole. I'm trying to decide if I want to use a clock blank punched out, or just let it sit flush with the dash. I'll post pics once I get it figured out. I've had oil pressure plastic tubes pop off, i'm using grease gun hose for the oil pressure now. The water temp sender takes some obscure metric to NPT fitting to adapt to the engine block.

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Here is a picture of my setup. Oil and temp in my "spare" ashtray compartment. As you might see any extra instrument setup in the upper left corner isn't practical on my '63 with cruise control. The dual gauge in the clock might have been a good solution for me if it was reversible but I am happy with the setup that I have, looking forward to see what Steve Gunnoe (jsgun) will end up with .

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7 hours ago, SwedeDownUnderR63 said:

Here is a picture of my setup. Oil and temp in my "spare" ashtray compartment. As you might see any extra instrument setup in the upper left corner isn't practical on my '63 with cruise control. The dual gauge in the clock might have been a good solution for me if it was reversible but I am happy with the setup that I have, looking forward to see what Steve Gunnoe (jsgun) will end up with .

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Jan, 

On your non a/c car, you could adapt a guage where the a/c vent would be.

 

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Or you could retro fit something like this.  The only thing I don't like is that the odometer is digital ?

 

 

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20 minutes ago, RivNut said:

The only thing I don't like is that the odometer is digital.

 

And the speedo only goes to 120. ;) 

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