GaryP65 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Need to make or buy a bracket for my NE Model X horn. Is there a book with diagrams available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) Gary......isn't the vacuum tank also mounted to the horn bracket or is it mounted on the fire wall? edit: In the event I'm not here when you get back here's the plain horn bracket. Edited August 25, 2016 by cahartley (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 hour ago, dc-8dave said: Hello Gary, Are you serious about there being a book? How long have you been in the old car hobby? Should I be offended by that question? Right now I'll choose no. To answer that, I am serious about a book. Sometime ago I asked about a windshield. Bill posted an original drawing for the glass with sizes. So why wouldn't I think that somewhere out there, someone has what I need? And to answer your 2nd question, First car in the 20's. Had many 60's & early 70's muscle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 44 minutes ago, cahartley said: Gary......isn't the vacuum tank also mounted to the horn bracket or is it mounted on the fire wall? edit: In the event I'm not here when you get back here's the plain horn bracket. Well I made a bracket for the one side and I used the vacuum tank bracket for the other. All wired up and no blaring so I think I got it isolated. Unfortunately, when I press the button down, nothing. Not sure what the horn pin is suppose to ground out on but I thought because of that mysterious collar, maybe the pin needed to be longer so I used an awl and nothing. Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Inside the collector ring is a small, spring loaded, pin which makes the connection to the collector as the steering wheel turns as I mentioned above.......I think....... I don't remember if it's possible for it to fall out but......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 hour ago, dc-8dave said: Hello Gary, Are you serious about there being a book? How long have you been in the old car hobby? This might be as close as you can get unless you find one or someone will loan you one. Please don't forget to thank people that help you! I always thank the ones that help me. This is great, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, cahartley said: Inside the collector ring is a small, spring loaded, pin which makes the connection to the collector as the steering wheel turns as I mentioned above.......I think....... I don't remember if it's possible for it to fall out but......... I didn't see a spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) Oh oh.........there is a little drill hole in the steering shaft for a spring loaded pin which provides a constant ground while the horn button thingy creates a momentary ground to sound the horn. I think we're getting somewhere now. Edited August 25, 2016 by cahartley (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 I'll check it out. With that mysterious collar, I have to pull the shaft out. Fun, fun, fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) Yeah.......but by now the steering wheel should come off easily.......LOL You need to make that mystery collar go away........ I'd like to see a photo of your steering wheel hub. Edited August 25, 2016 by cahartley (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 I'll post a photo soon but I don't think I can make the collar disappear since it looks moulded in. Even if I could I'm sure I'd open up a can of worms with the wheel placement, etc.... I'm not a machinist so I don't think I can do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayG Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Right horn and right bracket on eBay item # 351820093417 or search Dodge Brothers 1920 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 Great! Figures one would show up after I buy one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 On 8/24/2016 at 11:02 PM, cahartley said: Yeah.......but by now the steering wheel should come off easily.......LOL You need to make that mystery collar go away........ I'd like to see a photo of your steering wheel hub. Here you go. I pulled it off a little so you can see the whole shbang. As you can see by the scaring, I tried to get the collar of but don't think it does. I had the whole shart out. Even if it did, the threads for the wheel nut would stick put to much. Also, I'm assuming the spring you are talking about is where the wire comes in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) That stupid collar thing is bugging me to death....... The steering wheel hub looks legit so I don't get it. Unless my memory has taken a vacation there should be a small drill hole in the steering shaft in which there is a spring loaded brass pin which stays in constant contact with the collector ring. Is that steering shaft hollow at the threaded end for the horn button? I don't want to remove the steering wheel on mine but if that what's it going to take I will because sumting is rotten the state of Denmark!....... As an afterthought I can guarantee you that collar is not part of the steering shaft. Edited August 27, 2016 by cahartley (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Say the word Gary.......I'm almost ready to go the shed NOW to get to the bottom of this....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 You're insane. You don't have to remove your wheel!! But I appreciate the thought. There is a hole in the threaded end of the shaft for the horn button and 'awl'. There is no hole on the shaft that would indicate that there should be a spring loaded pin. Does that mean the the collector has metal in the inner ring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 You are a good man, but I can't ask you to do that. Even if yours is correct (and I'm sure it is), I don't think I can do anything about this. I can't see how that collar would come off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 You nailed it Gary.....I am insane....... I'm pulling the wheel tomorrow......it isn't THAT big of a deal. I just DID go out to the shed though to look where the bottom end of the steering shaft engages the coupling. There is a small portion at that end with a flat milled across it. Only about a 1/2" of the flat is visible. I seriously think your steering shaft is too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 Another thing, the shaft doesn't go all the way in the yoke of the gear housing. It ends at approximately the 2nd bolt. Shouldn't it go in further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I'll take a photo of that too. I'm only about 110% sure NOW the mysterious pin hole I'm talking about is under that stoopid collar........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 You're starting to make me a believer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rameses32 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I hope I answered you problem under your Claxton Horn thread. I completely understand the frustration one feels when trying to figure this stuff out, I received most of my 24' in boxes full of rust. Just by chance I have been working on my steering column and horn button this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) I appreciate all the help I'm getting but I'm confused (just in general) about a few things. 1 - your photo looks just like mine so I don't know whats right or wrong. 2 - I don't know the terminology. Which part is the reluctor? 3 - if the collar needs to come off and get tossed, wouldn't that make the wheel sit lower on the shaft making the threads prouder thereby making the nut unable to seat? 4 - let's say all the above gets answered. What so I do about the spring loaded pin? I know I'm confused about a lot more on this but I'll take this one slow. Edited August 27, 2016 by GaryP65 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rameses32 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 The shaft goes in the tube and connects to the steering gearbox, then the black thing goes on, then your steering wheel, then the nut with the horn button. I have included the picture with the parts laid out in order of assembly, minus the steering wheel, I have also included a photo of the parts loosely assembled to help you get the idea. Your shaft is not too long, the black thing is just in the wrong place. As for the spring clip, you will just have to ask around to see if anyone has an extra one, I have a spare shaft but the clip is missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rameses32 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 To put it another way, the black thing goes on top of the collar, not under it like it is in your photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 WOW!! That clears it up tremendously!! Looks like the collar IS part of the shaft. Now if I can get my hands on the spring loaded pin, I'll have a horn. I assembled it, and I think I got it. Having trouble uploading photo. You are awesome, thank you so much!! Is this site great or what!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 here ya go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 YAY.......I'm glad I checked in before I removed the steering wheel on mine! I clearly remembered the springy pin thing but not exactly what's what. Thankfully, rameses32 beat me to it....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted August 28, 2016 Author Share Posted August 28, 2016 Thank you all for your help. Now if I can find the spring and pin I'll be good to go. In another post I asked about an exhaust manifold. Anyone know of one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryP65 Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 One step closer! Myers has the spring loaded pin for the horn!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Lawson Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Good to hear Garry Every step gained is a little closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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