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Great equipment! I just run a single car unit, can’t compare to those machines. On the show circuit we find it easier to prep and service the car with our own equipment,  after tours and rainy show days having your own trailer makes cleaning up the car much easier. I use one of the large national transportation companies when we move multiple cars, often due to size and weight we can only put four cars on a tractor trailer. Please comment on driving time before and after the electronic logs. Do you expect it to efffect total miles per year, and thus drive up costs and prices? Do you do show transportation? Driving the open road today is very frustrating compar d to years ago, I don’t think I could do it full time. Long hard hours, often with little down time, add in breakdowns, congestion, weather, I just don’t know how most of the drivers do it today. Ed

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To soon to tell. I have had high end cars on my truck. Just hauled a highly modified electronics van for the Government that was pegged at 1.5mill.  I hauled a 500k Porsche and ask the customer why? He had a known company enclosed and he ram his car into the roof of the trailer. Did 20k worth of damage and another, a car got loose inside and did a million in damaged. I also own a single car enclosed along with a 1 and 2 car open bumper pull trailers. 

 

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I always thought that hauling the high end stuff was probably a lot more work and aggravation than the more modern stuff. Overly fussy owners, worried every minute where the car is, etc. Add in hard starting and no starts, Oil and fuel leaks,  difficult to tie down, tight fit in the truck, the list is endless. Frankly I am surprised that so many companies are willing to do it. It’s also amazing how cheap many of the car owners are when it comes to shipping, and some dumb SOB who can’t even drive a stick tries to load a car up on the rig......yup, I have seen it with my own eyes. Not a sight I want to see again. Over the last 40 years I have seen three cars fall off the truck, one of them was seven figures. Not too long ago, a three million dollar car was transported by a bootleg hauler. When the car wouldn’t crank over(it had a startex and they didn’t know who to operate it), they decided to jump start the car, and pried open the locked trunk with a crowbar. The battery was under the front seat. But hey.......he did get a good deal on the hauler.  Ed

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This is what cut-rate shipping looks like:

 

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Granted, it's not an expensive car, but the guy has waited nearly two months for someone willing to do it cheap enough and it's going to spend the next three days living on an open trailer driving through a snowstorm. That $1500 we spent cleaning and detailing the car? Gone. All that pot metal trim that was in good shape but "open" because it's original? I recon it's going to get worse with salt in it. Will the driver hurt it by taking it on and off the trailer a few more times between here and where it's going so he can load/unload other cars? The guy didn't even speak English, so I had a hard time explaining just how to start the car. If it isn't  get in and turn the key and pull an automatic transmission into gear, these guys are totally lost. And man, that clutch sure smells fresh!


But at least you saved $150 over the enclosed shipping I arranged for you. Nicely done, Buick buyer. You totally beat me at my own game. I was definitely ripping you off.

 

Don't do cheap shipping. Just don't. If someone who knows what they're doing tells you what it costs, just pay it. Thinking you can figure it out yourself and save a buck only means that you're screwing yourself in the end. Nobody walks into an operating room and tells the doctor he's too expensive and they'll figure out themselves for less, right? Just because this is driving trucks and not brain surgery doesn't mean you're going to get it right. I'm just heartbroken about this little Buick heading out into the salt and slush for the next few days. We spent a LOT of time on it and really dressed it up. The guy who bought it is a complainer, so I'm sure I'm going to hear about how messed up it is when it arrives. Guess what? Not my problem. You did this to yourself. Sorry.

 

Just because some shipper says he can do it cheap doesn't mean it's the same as the guy who chargers more. You always get what you pay for. 

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8 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said:

Just because some shipper says he can do it cheap doesn't mean it's the same as the guy who chargers more. You always get what you pay for. 

 

That's so very true, Matt.  I once sold a nice little first year Camaro convertible, the fellow had sent me the money for it, and then for two weeks complained about how expensive it was to ship.

 

Finally, one day a van truck shows up to get the car.  The back of the van was chest high, and I asked the guy how he was going to load the car.  He pulls out two ramps that are JUST as wide as the tires on the car, and about 15 feet long.  I immediately called the buyer, explained the situation to him.  He said no problem, the guy was a cheap back haul, let him load.  While on the phone, I told the buyer "OK, I'm handing the keys to the car as we speak, I no longer own the car nor have any responsibility for safety or condition of car, it's all yours".   I got in my car (this was at a large parking lot) and drove about 30 feet away, sitting in the car while the fellow loaded the car with his helper. 

 

I've sold a couple of cars where the driver of the truck shows up not speaking English.  That's fine, I know it's not PC to criticize those people, but don't expect me to like it when, as Matt says, you can't even explain how to start a car or any other idiosyncrasies that may exist.

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I always figure the cost of shipping into the purchase price.  If it comes out too much to have it properly shipped,  then I move onto another car.  With higher dollar cars it's easy as the shipping is usually a much smaller percent of the whole purchase so it's not that important.  When you mess around with the under 10G cars on the opposite coast,  it really makes the deal seem unappealing fast.   Any cars I find would always be shipped enclosed if in the winter months and if they are anything at all that deserve any kind of care,  will be shipped that way year round.  I've only had one car shipped open,  4 hours away in the summer during a stretch of weather with no rain or storms forecast.

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150 less than closed? From my experience,  depending on location, it's 1000 to 1500 more from coast to coast. Depending on the car anf location, we are getting 1000 to 1500 from FL to WA open. Closed is abour 2500 to 3000.

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All my years hauling cars,  never seen a set up like this. Someone took a 4x4 2010 Chev 1/2 ton and cut the frame behind the cab and welded a one car trailer to the trucks frame. Rear drive shaft is absent, runs with the front drive shaft with the factory transfer case. Going to find out what it would cost to buy it. Been sitting for 3 years.

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I think someone was selling these in Deals on Wheels a while back.  It was a 1/2 page ad or something from a company.  

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Would there be problems legally carrying a car on this as it could very easily be overweight?  Or do you just register it for heavier GVW? I'm pretty sure GM is out of the picture as to any liability at this point. 

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I would actually lose the data sticker if it were mine.  They are missing on vehicles all the time due to body repairs.  Of course the data isn’t even realistically applicable, but an irritated officer could easily try to hold it against you.  I would keep documentation of the flat bed load ratings.  Of course, we have no idea if this conversion was done safely/correctly or not.  Certainly, a 2500/3500 front end and drivetrain would be preferred.

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Would be no problem hauling small cars, golf carts etc. Ig I bought it, I would upgrade tires, rear suspension with disk brakes and higher ply tires etc. Be perfect for doing local shows and swap meets. Be a good conservation peace at car shows. Been sitting at the auction for 3 years. I offered 2k for it. See what happens.

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The cost actually depends on various factors like the type of car you want to transport, target location, how long is the distance and many more.

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I don't know exactly what Jim means by auto broker, but, there is a service in San Antonio, TX, named UShip (uShip - The Online Shipping Marketplace - سطحه الرياض , Cars or Moves) that is a transportation broker. You tell them what type of vehicle you have, running or not, ship from zip code and ship to zip code and estimated pick up date and estimated delivery date. They have independent car hauler truckers that will give you a bid to move the vehicle. I have not used this service but on ebay a lot of the ads have estimated shipping costs and UShip is usually one of the lowest cost estimates. You might look at some ebay ads to see names of other car haulers. If I used one of these independent truckers I would check with my insurance agent about complete coverage of the vehicle while in transit. A legit trucker will expect payment when the car is delivered and ready to unload. Probably cash usless other arrangements are made before they pick up the car.

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The definition of its surface east of Riyadh is the service we offer you from:
A defect using a truck that pulls out cars that are located in the east of the sport are located wherever you are in the car that has a malfunction or malfunction

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Couple years ago I sold a  restored 1911 Ford Touring to a German buyer. He arranged for an economy hauler. The open car hauler arrived during a snow storm

in February, every car on it was gray and soaking wet. I took pictures of the load  and told the driver he was not taking this car. I then sent everything

to the buyer explaining what the T would have looked like when it arrived in Newark. He thanked me.

I've used Thomas Sunday on several occasions and highly recommend them.

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I haven't posted in awhile but still get notifications from here.  I spent over 15 years in the business as a carrier and broker and was very good at what I did.  I took a lot of pride in my job as a broker but was constantly having to defend myself because of all the companies that were just in it to collect their part of the payment and didn't give a darn if the job got done or not.  I have always taken pride in our company and gave each customer 100%.

 

Unfortunately, my health has taken a turn for the worse and I am no longer able to work.  It killed me to shut the doors on my business but it won't kill me to have to defend my company anymore.  It sucks to be a good, honest person in a business where the majority are crooks or just don't care.

 

I want to leave you with some good information that you can use to check out any carrier or broker you want to use.

 

First and foremost, get their DOT number.  That is the number that you need to check them out.  Used to be the MC number but DOT is phasing that out.

 

Once you have the DOT number  go to  these websites to check them out:

 

     1.  https://csa.fmcsa.dot.gov/        If you only use one check point this is the one.  This is FMCSA/DOT website.  When you go there go down the page on the left and put in the DOT number for any carrier and it will give you a boatload of information including safety rating, accidents, etc.  If their numbers are higher than the national average I wouldn't use them.  You can see every time they were stopped and inspected and what their problems were as well as any accidents.  If it is a logbook violation it isn't so bad but if it is a mechanical infraction you know to avoid them.  If they show an OOS infraction that means the DOT officer parked them and put them Out of Service either to get their logs straight or to fix a mechanical problem.  Those are serious and you don't want your car sitting on a trailer that is unsafe or going to be parked for up to 11 hours.

 

     2.  https://www.transportreviews.com/    This site is the biggest Review website for carriers.  This will show CUSTOMER complaints where the FMCSA will show the DOT complaints.

 

Good luck to you all.  There are still some good brokers out there who will work hard to make sure your vehicle is handled right.  Don't be quick to write them off because of all the bad ones.  

 

I still have this thread on my notifications.  If there is anything I can do for you or any questions I can answer about car hauling I would be happy to help.

 

Bonnie Walker

 

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Hello Bonnie and sorry for your challenges. I have been back on the road for almost a year now after being retired for 8 years. Lot has changed. Paper logs to electronic logs. Can't stretch that line anymore. Setting here in my Motel room in West Palm Beach FL doing my 34-hour restart.

Couple things on your remarks about DOT.

Not always the case with, out of service.

Sometimes we are put out of service when you have a flat tire while going down the road and the DOt is there next to you. Just one example.

Lite burns out. Had a headlight go out while passing through a weight station.

We are parked 10 plus hours after being on duty for 14 hours. So you're saying that cars are unsafe while being parked for 11 hours if put out of service for 11 hours. If we're put out of service for driving hours, it's only 10 hours if your 70 or 80 hours is not used up.

Out of service for mechanical could be for 1 minute to a longer period of time. As soon as you get the problem fixed and recheck, your up and running.

 

Now for the broker problem.

Most brokers are putting unrealistic timetables and cost to the customer.

You people will put 5 to 7 days from CA to FL. BIG LIE!1!

You people will quote a low price and the customer goes for it, the car will sit. Called cheap freight.

You people will say, door to door service. That is the biggest lie in this industry. With a 1-2 car hauler yes, but not a 9-10 car hauler.

A lot of brokers have gone out of business since I have been gone. But the good ones that I have used before I retired are still in business.

We have 3 2018 trucks with a 4th one on order. 900,000 for 3 trucks.

100.000 a year in insurance.

Average fuel cost per run is 6000.00. That is from FL to WA and back.

Average pay per driver, 120 to 140K

As you can see, not cheap being in this business. I would never be an owner-operator again.

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10 hours ago, countrytravler said:

Hello Bonnie and sorry for your challenges. I have been back on the road for almost a year now after being retired for 8 years. Lot has changed. Paper logs to electronic logs. Can't stretch that line anymore. Setting here in my Motel room in West Palm Beach FL doing my 34-hour restart.

Couple things on your remarks about DOT.

Not always the case with, out of service.

Sometimes we are put out of service when you have a flat tire while going down the road and the DOt is there next to you. Just one example.

Lite burns out. Had a headlight go out while passing through a weight station.

We are parked 10 plus hours after being on duty for 14 hours. So you're saying that cars are unsafe while being parked for 11 hours if put out of service for 11 hours. If we're put out of service for driving hours, it's only 10 hours if your 70 or 80 hours is not used up.

Out of service for mechanical could be for 1 minute to a longer period of time. As soon as you get the problem fixed and recheck, your up and running.

 

Now for the broker problem.

Most brokers are putting unrealistic timetables and cost to the customer.

You people will put 5 to 7 days from CA to FL. BIG LIE!1!

You people will quote a low price and the customer goes for it, the car will sit. Called cheap freight.

You people will say, door to door service. That is the biggest lie in this industry. With a 1-2 car hauler yes, but not a 9-10 car hauler.

A lot of brokers have gone out of business since I have been gone. But the good ones that I have used before I retired are still in business.

We have 3 2018 trucks with a 4th one on order. 900,000 for 3 trucks.

100.000 a year in insurance.

Average fuel cost per run is 6000.00. That is from FL to WA and back.

Average pay per driver, 120 to 140K

As you can see, not cheap being in this business. I would never be an owner-operator again.

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Great pictures!  Your comments about Brokers has merit but that is not how I did business.  I think being a carrier for so many years and then becoming a broker I came in knowing what it took for a carrier to survive and I did my best to always get them the best rate possible.  The biggest problem for me was trying to compete with the scum brokers and when I wasn't doing that I was constantly defending my honor as a broker.  It is not an easy business to be in when 90 % of them suck.

 

As for the "you people" stuff - those are the "damn broker" type.  I was never one of those.  I always asked my carriers to tell me pick up and delivery dates.  If I thought they were cutting it too short I would always add a day to it to be on the safe side.  It has been very difficult to convince my customers that things have changed drastically with the electronic logs but they don't want to hear it.  I bid things medium high all the time.  Getting my customers to accept that was another story.   It hurt to give up after all these years but I have some serious health issues and stress is a huge trigger and this business is ALL stress if you give a damn about what you are doing.  

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2 hours ago, ADTS AutoTransport said:

Great pictures!  Your comments about Brokers has merit but that is not how I did business.  I think being a carrier for so many years and then becoming a broker I came in knowing what it took for a carrier to survive and I did my best to always get them the best rate possible.  The biggest problem for me was trying to compete with the scum brokers and when I wasn't doing that I was constantly defending my honor as a broker.  It is not an easy business to be in when 90 % of them suck.

 

As for the "you people" stuff - those are the "damn broker" type.  I was never one of those.  I always asked my carriers to tell me pick up and delivery dates.  If I thought they were cutting it too short I would always add a day to it to be on the safe side.  It has been very difficult to convince my customers that things have changed drastically with the electronic logs but they don't want to hear it.  I bid things medium high all the time.  Getting my customers to accept that was another story.   It hurt to give up after all these years but I have some serious health issues and stress is a huge trigger and this business is ALL stress if you give a damn about what you are doing.  

You people were not directed at you. I have never hauled for as far as I know of, so I cannot comment about your company. When I go on Central Dispatch, It's amazing what is posted. Want the car to move fast, charge a good price. The brokers that we haul for are getting the money. What are these brokers doing different that has been in business for 20 plus years doing differently?  A joke of a Freight Forwarder, UShip. Be careful with them. They do no background check. And stress will take a toll on your health. Please take care of yourself and hope things work out. I'm sure my day will be coming to the end as a driver. It's not a job for me, it's more of a hobby because I enjoy driving and meeting the different kinds of people in all the different walks of life. So with that said, I do not let the industry get to me. 

Take care of yourself.

Dave, the country traveler.

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