Guest superods Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I am presently working on my rumble seat coupe. It was purchased disassembled. I am in need of some high direction regarding the interior. Fortunately, the 2 piece metal seat base is in tact. It is temporarily in place. The seat base is one piece to include springs old padding and cracked leather material. It sets on the base. Now things from here are not so simple. I have two seat backs. Each is with spring, padding and old leather. Where do these seat backs go. Do they sit on the seat? Does a portion of them sit on the seat? How are they supported? I have two new pieces of plywood for the floor behind the metal base and the bottom cushion...nothing more.How is the compartment finished? The fellow I purchased this car from has no clue, for he did not take it apart. He purchased it from someone else. Does anyone have any photos of an interior for a standard 8 Coupe? How is it finished behind the seat...how is it supported? Any help is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 It sounds like you have seat-backs from another car. I've never seen one with a one-piece seat, that had divided (2) backs (in a coupe), but I guess it's possible, if access behind seat is needed and they folded forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpushbutton Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I always thought that the seat backs cushions were attached (sewn onto) the rigid seat back, which ran from one side of the car to the other, adding structural integrity. The bottoms just sit into the frame and tuck under the bottom of the upright (top) cushion. We need Owen Dyneto in here, Stat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 You may be correct speedster...but .... the old leather is exact...you put them together and the pleats line up. By chance anyone have photos ?? I also have a piece of metal that appears to be the top trim piece that goes behind the seat and finishes it off. There would then be about 10 inches to the back of the body and window for the flat panel. All this is conjecture on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I could not find a good picture of a '32 coupe seats. I have some of '32 Roadster and it has both 1 piece seat and back. I really like the Tufted design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I found this one in another '32 Roadster, that has two cushions in back but it appears to also have 2 cushions in seat bottom. Drivers seat cushions appear to be smaller than ones on right side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Here's a '34 Coupe with divided seat base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 In regards to front seats, the tuft I believe is incorrect. I have seen both the pleated and plain type of front seats, but most restored cars have the pleated seats with buttons. I have seen factory advertising, old photos and factory photos of the pleated seat style. The plain seat version I recently saw on a brochure for straight eight. My 903 had what appeared to be stock seats and the stuffing underneath appeared to have been plain. However I converted to pleated as I like it better. The picture of the door panel in the photo of the 32 car with plain seats I believe is wrong. That door I believe should have an insert panel and not a sewn pattern as that door looks in the photo.In regards to the rear seat, I have just seen pleated styles with no buttons. Should be nine panels. I also believe the bottom seat just sits on the frame while the back is attached to the rumble seat back frame.Here are pictures of my 32 903 coupe roadster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Thanks for the photos gentlemen. The seats I have are a pleat like Birdman's less the buttons. The buttons are appropriate for your convertible. I will keep mine less the buttons. The "trim" piece around the back of the seat is covered in leather in your car Birdman. Then the side supports come down to the floor and forward...covering the side of the seat base somewhat. I will do the same in this coupe. I have a piece of metal with 24 tabs for nails[off the back side] which is the trim piece behind these seats. Then there is about a 9 inches behind the seats to the back window. I will use a piece of wood and cover it like is done in my 1930 convertible coupe. I will make and access door to access the latch for the rumble seat in that back top panel. What configuration would you use for the door panels? What kind of carpet did you use in your coupe Birdman? BTW... as you well know ...that is a beautiful automobile ...and the color...whatever you call it... certainly makes a statement. Thanks for your pictures too Speedster. They show a grand diversity of style in differing types of vehicles. I too like the red seats Speedster...just do not have the car to use them in. Any more info is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardi Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Tbirdman - Some people are blessed with beautiful cars. You are one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Thanks for the compliment.As you can tell I was focused solely on a convertible roadster. Behind the seat on the horizontal surface there is a rectangular door I guess about 6" by 28". Guessing right now from work but the idea is it much longer in length. There is a small shallow storage compartment beneath it that doesn't go into the golf club storage area. I would get pictures but that part of the car is all cover up with the top down for protection from my winter project.The latch for the rumble seat is mounted behind the passenger seat on that trim piece you mentioned very close to the right seat edge.The door panels at least for the convertible was like a panel insert with the insert trimmed in leather. I've seen a lot of cars with just the outline of this panel just sewn in i.e. using stiching to make it look like a panel.The carpet was just wool carpet and I'm not sure where the shop got it from.The previous owner called the color "Grey Poupon". I've seen one other car with a similiar color, and I only saw it on an auction web site. The company who did the restoration on that car was the same one who did a partial restoration on mine. The color looks better in person asit does not photograph well. It is still not my favorite though a lot of people who see the car disagree and love the color for its uniqueness and elegance. Funny story is last year at the Forest Grove Concours I was talking with the previous owner who lives in LA and said he didn't care for the color and we kept getting interrupted by people asking what color it was as they love it He thought the color fit the Pacific Northwest better as it wasn't flashy enough for So Cal.I would prefer a maroon or a silver to go along with my interior but I'm not changing the color for now. Everybody knows here that I bought the car in spite of the color and found out that a lot of people like it Good luck in trying to find pictures of a 32. I've never see one in person. For a another source of photo, try here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I could not find a good picture of a '32 coupe seats. I have some of '32 Roadster and it has both 1 piece seat and back. I really like the Tuffed design. </div></div>Speedster,I thought the tuft design was incorrect, however on the link I just provided to the Detroit library, there was a picture of a 32 900 with that very same tufted bench seat style. tufted seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I LIKE it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Here is a link to some pictures of Geoff's original '31 not sure if these will help. Original '31 Interior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpushbutton Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Here's an original factory picture of the coupe seat with button-tuft pleats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Did I Mention that 'I LIKE It'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 With all the photos everyone took the time to post, my questions have been answered. I truly like the black and white photo of the tufted seat The 31 photos packin supplied, gives me the detail I was in need of. Again, many thanks. When we get her done I will post photos. Should be painted in early April and to the upholstery shop shortly thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I just pulled out all the moldings for around the windows. I was under the assumption that they were all made of steel and needed to be woodgrained and made to look like wood. All my moldings are wood. The rear window is bent wood with small screw holes. The dash molding and the door molding have a thin veneer of wood it appears on the flat surface while the detail all around is the wood. Also has metal screwed on the back every so often that has a notch which allows on to place it in place and move it downward an 1/8 inch to fasten in place. So I only need to match the dashboard to the veneer I choose. Is a burled species acceptable or too much ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 To me having a burled-wood dash and straight-grain window moldings looks strange. I think I like close-straight-grain better. Burled in a car just seems a little Foo-Foo, if you know what I mean. I would make the dash look as close to the moldings as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 For a 32 the correct grain (at least for a 903) was...Burled dashed. The trim piece above the dash was burled on the raised portion but straight grain on the recesses.The door trim has straight grain on the top, burl on the raised vertical surfaces and straight grain on the recessed vertical surfaces.I think the mix of burl with the straight grain looks fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Well here are pictures which appear of almost the same car but two different seat patterns for the front seats. However notice the difference in the running boards and courtesy light. However notice different running boards and the lack of a courtesy light in one of the cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Interesting pics. Notice the second car has the one bar bumper like the 900 and '33 1001. Also notice that the 3rd pic shows the car with trunk rack but no sidemounts. Labels say 933 and 940 conv roadster. Apparently prototypes or "proofs of concept" that were never put into production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 I am going to post a few photos of the vehicle, 32 902 rumble seat coupe, I asked help on. Everyone was very kind in submitting enough photos that I was able to piece things together..I hope. This first post is the seat cushion, one piece, and seat backs in two pieces. I am going to put back the seats with the same size pleats with no buttons this time. The second photo is of the seat base placed into the car. I then proceeded to build a temporary seat back out of 8 ply cabinet grade plywood. Then built the "top" of the section that is behind the seats to the back window. Is a big "U" with a cut out of 9 inches x 36 inches. Will follow with two more photos each in two seperate posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 The photos did not attach with last post, hopefully they will here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hey Rod,Can you reduce your pictures it is hard to get a full perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 The first photo is the structural seat back, with a "female" opening in the center. The plywood you see that comes half way down is the front of the storage compartment. We will build the seat backs in one piece and use 1/2 plywood as a backer. The opening will be duplicated on this backer as a " male " mating piece. It has a system secure it in place to insure it will not move but will be very easy to remove if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Superods,Not sure if you did your interior yet, but I found tonight while cleaning up, a magazine article that looks like a reprint of a Packard 1932 Deluxe 8 brochure. Don't know if the standard 8 would be the same, but here's the 902 coupe picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Birdman.....ThanksI am not sure about putting the buttons in. I am for certain going with the wide pleat. Inside the cabin the only things not stock are the gauges. I am putting in the overhead light and the two side lamps. Got my Grain it kit and did a sample piece. Very professional results !! Quite easy to do. Part needs to be sanded last with 1000 paper. I started with 320 then 500 to 600 and then 1000. The paints by u pol are for professional auto repair. An etch primer first then a high build primer and then the base coat ...then you roll on the ink and clear coat it three coats. The sanding is done between all the coats. The paints are super fast drying. I had about two hours of time in the whole thing.....was block sanding the coupe and just did it over a two hour period. Total time in the piece was about 10 minutes including clean up. I will post photos when I do the parts for this car. They are color matching the inks and base colors. The base color will be the color of the interior leather...and the ink will be a very dark black brown which is the color inside the gauges.That color will be used on the dash insert...steering wheel and column...everywhere black whould have gone. Also using it on the shutters for the grille and the luggage rack. Car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Rods,What kind of shape are your window trim pieces?My drivers door is pretty rusted (no rust through) but will need a lot of TLC. Bondo, HB etc to get it back to where it should be. I not familiar with this whole wood graining but how nice does the underlying metal have to be?I am off the next two weeks and hoping to get back to working Old Bessie that is as long as the weather holds out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Tom,For woodgraining, the underneath needs to be as nice as if you were painting a car, though the woodgraining may hide some defects. You can have bondo as the paints will cover up anything underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superods</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Birdman.....ThanksThat color will be used on the dash insert... </div></div>Why not keep the engine turning on the dash insert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Birdman is correct. I am taking my parts to 1000 grit. U-pol automotive paints are used to obtain professional results. The woodgraining is the simple part. The dash is carpathian elm in the 32's with a simple wood grain for the windows. I have both plates and the original colors are available in base coat and inks.u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Lokay Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Hello I own lokayswoodgrain and I restore the dash board and window garnish mouldings to the orginal wood grain look. You can contact me at 727-375-1797 p.s. Im also in hemmings mag.Thanks Tom Lokay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Mr. Lokay....I just purchased the u-grain it professional series ....the latest with the new oil based inks and new plates. Thank you for your little blurb...was wondering how easy it is to do the woodgraining. Did you also buy the same kit and then go into business. I have done a couple of parts and the results are very very very professional. Evan, the owner is mixing special inks for me and doing a number of special base coat colors. He has been very helpful. Hope business is good for you. Best of fortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Birdman.........checked the part and no regulator....what next ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superods</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Birdman.........checked the part and no regulator....what next ? </div></div>Doesn't sound like you have much else to offer. I'll keep my wheel for now (It's my Packard 401K ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest superods Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Roger.... Wilco....you think of sumthin let me know. In the mean time it only becomes more valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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