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  1. JD - Quick question on a Model A truck vs. a Fordor with respect to "creature comforts."  My Dad is 90yrs old and drives the heck out of his '31 Town Sedan. Getting in and out is somewhat challenging due to the relatively narrow gap between the seat and the side panel. (The seat is in its rear most position).  Is there any difference with a truck?

  2. John-

    You are worth a hell of a lot more than the price of this truck. Your wealth of knowledge and generosity is absolutely amazing. I am grateful to have become friends with you and Cherrie over the years. It is always such a hoot when we get together.  You two are the best! 


    I am always impressed with the support everyone on this forum gives. That was an extra special move making that offer to John. It couldn't go to a better recipient.

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  3. Not far from me there is an auto repair shop that caters to older cars from the 40’s to the 70’s. Whenever I pass this place, it is always fun to see what’s sitting on the lot. Last week, I decided it was a good time to take advantage of the “no- traffic” pandemic situation and take one of my old cars for a spin. As I drove past the repair shop, I noticed something was amiss. Apparently there was a catastrophic land slide on the business just adjacent to the shop. The landslide collapsed one entire side of the repair shop’s lot, flattening a bunch of the old cars into automotive pancakes.


    Two amazing things about this: (1) thankfully no one was injured and (2) not one word was mentioned about this on the local news.


    If this happened three months ago, Fox News would have been all over this; but the story was not even on their radar!  They are too busy reporting about the end of the world if you don’t wear your face mask.


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  4. I have this mystery (to me) item hanging in my garage and can't figure out what it is. I have a few ideas what it could be used for (Whomper, Billy-club, attitude adjuster) but I am pretty sure it has another purpose. That is where you, the AACA experts, come in. 


    The item you see in the pictures is essentially a 36" long pipe made of 3 individual sections of aluminum tubing or pipe threaded together. The OD is 1 inch. On one end there is a small threaded cap about a 1 ¼”  long. The threaded cap has a small hole drilled in it's the end so it is not meant to be water or air tight.


    The main body or center portion is about 30" long with male threads on one end and female threads on the other. 

    The third section is about 5" long. The 5" section has 4 small holes cross drilled near it's the end. I threaded a zip-tie through two of the holes in order to hang the pipe up. The 5" section is filled with about 30 steel rods maybe 3/16" diameter. One end of the rod bundle is captured inside the 5" section of tubing with two set screws.  On the opposite end, the steel rods are left unbound and flap in the breeze. 


    There is a number (T91001393) stamped on one end. I have Googled that number many times with no joy. I also submitted the images for a Google reverse image search. No luck there, either. There are no other markings, trademarks, logos or numbers anywhere. 

    The only thing that even remotely comes to mind is a very short oxygen lance or "burning bar". Most oxygen lances have a bunch of small rods packed inside of a larger rod and are usually about 10 feet long. Lances also have a pipe thread on one end to hook up to your oxygen tank and valve. I suspect this is not a lance.  Anybody want to guess?





  5. Hi Peter Pan- 

    We shopped around a little, but no one else had the answers like the Brassworks did. (BTW No relation here , just a satisfied consumer). The staff were very knowledgeable and familiar with this honeycomb style radiator.


    We sent the original radiator to them so they could strip off all the soldered bits and the tanks.  Afterwards they even returned the old core to us.


    The downside: You can't be in a hurry.  We were told there were 27 jobs ahead of us!  The ETA was approximately 3 months.  They beat their own time frame- it was on our doorstep in two months.  It was well worth the wait. The radiator is a work of art! The price... about $3100.00 USD including tax and shipping.   



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    Dave, on behalf of all the blind idiots of the world, we’ll give you 10% credit for your suggestion that the lying media, for appearance sake, “doctored” the image of the one and only “real” marathon car.  Next, you'll be saying there is only one Santa Claus.


    Why 10% credit?


    After closer scrutiny, there may be a faint ghost image of the original graphics seen below Dodge 8. Or maybe it’s just my imagination. Photoshop does go way back; then they called it “Photo Retouching.”


    Now on to the other 90% of the argument…


    1) Why do practically all the other pictures depict a very "dirty" Marathon car?  

    2) Why take the time to Photoshop the image to make the car look "cleaner"? 

    3) Doesn’t it make more sense to keep the car appear like it has been ridden hard and put away wet?

    4) Why bother with photo-doctoring when a CAR WASH would take one-fourth the time?

    5) If they wanted to “clean-up” the car, why bother adding in pinstripes that the “real” car didn’t have?

    6) Why would Dodge approve of a “doctored” photo if it might hint at the possibility that more than ONE “real” marathon car exists?


    Dave, we welcome your scholarly and insightful answers the above questions. Chop-chop! It is not nice to keep a blind idiot waiting.


  7. On 5/30/2019 at 10:56 PM, 35cz8 said:

    There was only the one actual Marathon Car and as can be seen in the photo - the differences are very clear.  No side mount spares and a different paint pattern.... 


    Hate to be a big skeptic of this interesting thread, but take a close look at the photos of the "real" marathon car at various mileages.  Let's examine the graphics on the passenger side of the "real" car with 25,000 miles. Now look at 65K miles and 75K miles. All the same , right? 


    Now , look at the graphics on the "real" car at 50,000 miles. Not only are the graphics not the same, but in the 50K picture, there is a white painted stripe around the windshield. There is also a white "trim" at the bottom of each of the side windows on the 50K picture which disappears in the other photos. So I am going to say "quack" on "only one real marathon car." (Sidemounts are present in all the "real" car pics, so this isn't a picture of a "dealer's" car.)

    Dodge 5 b.jpg


    Dodge 8 Marathon Car at 25K miles Pass Side_KnoxvilleCityHall.jpg

    Dodge 8 Marathon Car at 65K miles Pass Side.jpg

    Dodge 8 Marathon Car at 75K miles Pass Side.jpg

    Dodge 8 Marathon Car at 50K miles Pass Side lettering changed and white stripe around windshield and bottom of side windows.jpg

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  8. On 5/20/2019 at 3:16 PM, dc-8dave said:

    Hello Joe,

                        This newspaper article might answer some of your questions. I have never heard of a six cylinder endurance run but if you do enough research in the 1927-1928 newspapers you might find something.


    Thanks Dave, Yes It does answer some questions. Thanks!



  9. On 5/5/2019 at 7:24 PM, nearchoclatetown said:

    I knew there was something in that stash on the Marathon car but  hadn't read it.  Holy crap there could be skatey eight of them out there according to this letter. If every dealer had one painted exactly alike how do you know the real one? 

    It's the one with most bugs in the honeycomb radiator.


    On 5/3/2019 at 9:18 AM, 30DodgePanel said:

    What a grueling trek driving this car must have been. Wore me out just reading it....


    The daily mileage log shows they maintained their average speed of almost exactly 30mph every day. (Newark, NJ  on August 12 =23mph, damn NJ traffic.)  It obviously wasn't an Indy race, slow and steady gets you there. All told, this is a pretty good clip back in 1930, even for an 8 cylinder.  


    Anyone know if they ever duplicated this with a six cylinder car?


    Who were the drivers and what were they paid?


  10. On 5/16/2019 at 1:19 PM, DB26 said:

    I used Romar early last year. Service was unmatched. George will be providing for the Dodge Brotherhood for many years, no doubt! 

    Agreed. And the more folks that know about him, the more likely he will stay in business. Like an endangered species.


    On 5/16/2019 at 1:09 PM, Spinneyhill said:

    That is good service. What was the outcome with the pump? I believe the Dodge 8 had a carbon washer behind the impeller as the thrust washer.

    Good question. Now, what did he say?  I forgot. LOL

    Just kidding, I was paying attention.  It was interesting because his point was, that you could probably get away with 0.165 in end play on this pump without any problem. He said the idea here is because of the pump design, when the impeller is spinning, it tends to suck itself up towards the pump body. End play, within reason, is not a problem.  He added, "but if it makes you feel better, use some fiber washers leaving 3-5 thou gap". If that gap turns out to leave too little end play, the fiber washer will just wear itself down and won't cause any problem either.  In my case, it did make me feel better to use fiber thrust washers. It felt even better when I found the perfect fiber washers already in my parts drawers. 

  11. 15 hours ago, Kenendcindyc said:

    I was planning on stripping the paint and magnaflux dye checking them but dang there all most 75% broken. Yikes 

    Wow Ken - good find! No magnaflux needed here. Better to find the cracks now, rather than finding new louvers in your hood.


    When checking fan blades, don't just give them a casual glance. Some of the cracks are hard to see. Best to pull them off and examine them on the bench with a good magnifier. Better yet, sandblast or wire wheel the paint off before checking. Your fan probably could use fresh coat of paint, anyway.  If it still looks good after stripping the paint, do a  magnaflux test as Ken suggested.  If it passes ALL the tests, congratulations, you have a hen's tooth.


    I will post my "new" fan  replacement for the '29. It is likely to work for any model DB 28-31. If anyone has done some kind of replacement, post the photos and save a Dodge (or even a Pontiac) That reminds me, I also have a '29 Pontiac I need to check. Thanks Tinindian!

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  12. 4 hours ago, Mattml430 said:

    That’s nasty!! I’ll be checking both mine today. When you think about it a fan blade would be pivoting at the base there ever so Slightly everytime you rev the engine. 


    I think this is exactly what happens. For those unfamiliar with this setup, the fan consists of a set of two identical individual pieces of stamped steel that are mounted 90º apart on the water pump hub with 4 bolts . Close examination of several sets of these blades reveals the small gap left between the two blades (maybe 60 thou). This gap leaves each blade essentially unsupported at this point.                     (Warning...pure speculation ahead!)  

    For every mile driven, the gap allows thousands of micro-flexures along this junction and eventually the metal fails. 


    Of course, using the fan blades to turn over the engine by hand doesn't help either.  

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  13. On 5/5/2019 at 12:41 AM, NZStuart said:

    I'm also after set for a 1927 Dodge Touring with Australian made body.




    Do they look like the rests pictured below? If so, you may be in luck because I purchased them from a great guy right there in NZ.  He made several pairs of these rests.  They were cast  in silicon-bronze from an original set . They came out great. And the bloke  personally delivered them to me in San Diego! That's service. His name here on the forum is  DBNZ  (Phillip). 

    1927 DB top bow rests  IMG_7037-2.JPG

    1927 DB top bow rests  IMG_7038.JPG

    1927 DB top bow rests  IMG_7037.JPG

  14. When was the last time you purchased a product or service and the business just knocks it out of the park?  Sadly, it doesn’t happen very often anymore. But when it does, it is only fair to pass it along, right?  Besides, maybe some other service business might decide to raise the bar or perhaps some manufacturer might decide to stop using Chinesium.


    Now to the story… My Dad and I needed a rebuilt water pump following the “Great 1929 Dodge DA Phaeton Fan Disaster” (That story is the subject of another thread 


    As this was Dad’s first experience with Romar, he conducted his usual mini-interview, testing the water, so to speak. Apparently George passed- he got the job.


    George located a core water pump as a candidate for the rebuild. He stripped and sand blasted the core, pressed in new bushings, re-packed the gland, polished the brass gland nut to a mirror finish, and painted it like new. As a big plus, the new pump arrived well-packed and ahead of schedule. It was a work of art!


    Only one thing left to do: mount the pulley on the shaft and re-pin it. The measured pump shaft end-play seemed excessive at 0.165 in. With the old pump destroyed, no thrust bushings existed for comparison. Information on the issue is scant. JB-ed’s Victory Six manual states 0.005 to 0.0025 in. recommended end-play, but he provides no additional info on the thrust bushings.


    As a last resort, I called Romar’s for the first time seeking help with the pump. I hesitated to call because they rebuilt the pump was over six months ago.  My bad- due to the time difference, I called close to closing time in New York, but George Farrell still answered the phone. Surprisingly, he recalled the details of the rebuild from six months prior.


    Next, he explained the end-play situation. He even took the time to answer a couple of questions not related to the water pump. He is extremely knowledgeable about the pump and Dodge engine rebuilding in general. All told, he spent 30+ minutes on the phone with me. This is unheard of today. Talk about service after the sale!


    Romar’s is an “old-school” workshop run by one who takes pride in his work. George Farrell is one of a kind. I would highly recommend him to anyone needing Dodge Brothers engine related work. As a bonus, George will answer your questions. I am blown away!


    To George: thanks a million for your expertise and best of luck to you in your new enterprise.


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  15. The Great 1929 Dodge DA Phaeton Fan Disaster


    Here's a vacation ender for you...


    My Dad took our  ’29 Dodge Phaeton on a car tour near Los Angeles (110 miles each-way).  He was on the return leg of a fun 2 day tour when suddenly he heard a loud bang coming from under the hood.  With the engine still running, he pulls over and lifts the hood. Holy Sxxx!! There’s a gaping hole in the side of the hood and the left fender! One of the radiator fan blades launched  through the hood of the car and penetrated through about 80% of the fender. The blade sliced through that tough Dodge steel like a hot knife through butter.


    Of course,  once the first blade flew off, the three remaining blades went spinning wildly out of balance. The chain reaction snapped off the water pump housing, while burying the fan blades into what was a nearly perfect original honeycomb radiator.


    The pump, the fan, and the radiator: All destroyed. The hood and fender required major body work. The body shop removed the entire front clip and refinished it. 

    The hood and fender look good. The color was well matched. The Brass Works reproduced the new honeycomb radiator. They do some pretty awesome radiator work! The water pump was rebuilt at Romar’s in New York.  (See my other thread RE: My Romar experience).


    See the pics. If anyone was standing near that car when that blade let loose, it would have cut them in half. Fortunately no one was injured. All told, this disaster amounted to over $12K in damages!


    Moral:  Dodge Brothers Radiator Fan Blades from this era should be discarded and substituted with a safer version.  Every fan blade from this era that I have checked has cracks in it. I was aware of this and had my fan blades reinforced, but they still broke.  The cracks may be subtle and hard to see, but I promise you, they are there. I modified a fan blade from a 1950 Chrysler. It looks like a 98% perfect match and 3000 times safer. Don’t let it happen! It’s not a matter of “if” it will break; it is a matter of “when”. Getting cut in half with a fan blade is guaranteed to be a bad day.











  16. Who knew there were so many kinds of wheel and tire locks?

    Let's muddy the waters a bit more: The manufacturer of the lock did not always manufacture the lock cylinder!


    For some examples, see this interesting site for an array of locks: http://www.exwisehe.com/accessory_locks_tire_8.html


    A couple of them have some similarities to dneivandt's lock. 

    In row 2 column 4, the lock body looks a lot like yours.

    In row 1 column 3, look at the cylinder cover of the "T&A nut lock" (no I did not make that name up).

  17. On 9/15/2016 at 1:19 PM, thehandleman said:

    "The 29 DA is a popular car, not sure if Dodge Brothers used yellow?? that's a minus in my opinion"


    Absolutely YES Dodge Brothers used yellow! As an example, in 1927-28, the Dodge Victory line included an entire spectrum of colors and color combinations.


    In John Bittence’s excellent treatise on Late 20’s Dodges includes an April 1928 announcement entitled “Color Program Victory Line” wherein Dodge Brothers dealers were advised that each color scheme would run in production for about three weeks. The result would be that every dealer would have at least two to three different colors on hand at all times. “For the dealers who want to paint still further variations, we can furnish any car ...with surfacer finish (primer), with a $17.50 allowance net (i.e., a refund back to the dealer).” It appears that one could purchase a 1928-29 DB in ANY available color if you found a cooperative dealer.

    John offers a host of pictures of these very pretty Victories in his book (highly recommended reading). Hopefully John will allow me to share one picture below featuring an original 1928 Dodge Brothers paint job.

    1928 dodge victory yellow john bittence photo crop.JPG

    Also I include for reference some paint chips from the Chrysler Corp in 1931. I have some from 1929 also, but I need to locate them. The paint chips come from a fantastic treasure trove of paint info at http://paintref.com.

    1931 chrysler corp De Soto color chips includes yellow (  ) 001541.jpg

    1931 chrysler corp color chips includes yellow violet 000282.jpg

    1931 chrysler corp color chips includes yellow (partridge cream) 000281.jpg

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