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The secret to successful Ebay sales and purchases is to be careful. Scammers will occasionally attempt to steal the identity of a seller totally or try to email unsuccessful bidders and try to scam them into sending money to them under various methods of false pretenses. I once had the misfortune to have someone hack into my Internet Service Provider and hijack my email for a couple of days. It was redirected to their address and they then they got into my ebay account and listed a couple of fraudulent ebay listings in my name. Ebay quickly yanked the listings, as soon as I notified them. While I don't think that Ebay has done enough to track down the scammers, Ebay has come up with a method to allow you to avoid falling for their scams.
If you ignore the illegitimate emails and only use the Ebay "my messages" system, you will not get scammed. I have received several of these fraudulent emails but found that they were not in the "My Messages" system. If you open the message and look carefully, you will be able to see that they are scams. They normally look close to legitimate ebay messages, but I have never seen one that looked 100% correct. Also, never click on a link in these emails. Go directly to Ebay.com and get to the listing or to the payment methods directly though Ebay.com.
If you take your mouse and "hover", over a clickable link in an email, you should see the address displayed on the bottom line of your computer screen. If you read that address, you will be able to see if it is a bogus address, even though it may appear to read close to the right address. Be careful and read all of the Ebay tutorials about fraud. Forward all scam Ebay emails to Spoof@ebay.com. For Paypal scams, forward them to Spoof@paypal.com. They do occasionally followup and close down scammers, but not often enough to make me happy.
In this case, a scammer attempted to steal money from an unsuccessful bidder (probably did it to all of the unsuccessful bidders... and might have been successful with one or more), and the unsuccessful bidder posting here got mad at the seller who was being impersonated, not the actual crook. Let's all be careful out there.
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I would visually compare them to photos in the MAFCA Judging Manual. If you don't have access to a judging manual, you could post some photos here and somebody could probably take a look and identify them as either original or reproduction.
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I was just trying to mess with you.... and let me say again, with the exception of the Motorhome, I have never seen Marshall drive such a modern car. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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You meant Model T's (plural) didn't you. I too was surprised to see him in such a modern car. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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You are right. It is not good... But, I'm keeping those stories to myself.
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I don't remember if I have seen that one or not. The title sounds familiar, but being a former EMT and Firefighter and working for the past 26 years as a police officer, I don't think that there is much on a TV or Movie Screen that would upset me. I have lots of stories to tell, but you don't want to hear them. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Even though we may feel differently about this subject, I really like your quote of: <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
In Theory there is no difference between practice and theory.
In Practice, there is.
This is just the first time I figured I had a semi-legitimate opportunity to comment on it. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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I like my 1929 Model A Phaeton. It has only the original single tail/brake light, and the single accessory is one windwing rear view mirror for a little bit more safety. Nothing extra other than the one mirror. It is about as close to how it came from Ford in 1929 as it can be. (I really like that there is nothing else to lose points on) <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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pletcher,
<img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />Don't be scared off by the jokes, even though they are right that you should have listed the make of the chassis (rookie mistake I guess <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />)
Assuming it is a Model A Ford 1929 Chassis,
Where is it and how much do you want for it?
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It is nice to see that Randy brought a real car instead of a mustang. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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That is how I would interpret it, unless you restored it to the point that it's HPOF certification was voided. In which case, I guess you get to start over in whatever class was most appropriate, either DPC or a regular judging class. (I guess) <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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It really is not a mystery. It is just that nobody knows how to interpret the rules. The rules (as found below) are clear.... It is <span style="font-weight: bold">65%</span> and <span style="font-weight: bold">significantly restored</span> that I am not sure how to intrepret.
D. EXHIBITION CLASSES
1. HISTORICAL PRESERVATION OF ORIGINAL
FEATURES (HPOF) CLASS
Since our founding, AACA has been dedicated
to the preservation, restoration and
maintenance of vehicles. In the furtherance
of the ?preservation? mission, the
AACA Board of Directors in 1987 established
a program to encourage the saving
and display of collector vehicles in their
original, as-manufactured condition. The
Historical Preservation of Original
Features program encourages owners of
vehicles 35 years old and older, retaining
significant original features to allow them
to remain in this original condition, and to
show them at National and Regional
Meets. A vehicle may be entirely ?original?
or it may have certain ?original? features
such as paint, chassis, upholstery, engine
compartment, etc., that are essentia-
ly as delivered. These vehicles will not be
point judged. They will be certified using a
percentage system which includes a total
average percentage of the original features
of the exterior, interior, chassis and engine.
The vehicle must receive a score of sixtyfive
percent (65%) or above to receive certification.
They will be recognized at the
awards ceremony and will receive an exhibition
award. A certification plaque will be
presented to each vehicle upon acceptance
into the HPOF category. Vehicles
entering the HPOF category will be prohibited
from future registration in any other
competition or exhibition class. If the vehicle
is restored, certification in HPOF category
will be voided. This category is limited
to vehicles 35 years old and older. All vehicles
registered in the HPOF category will
be displayed in one location on the show
field. No previous National First Prize winners
are accepted. An HPOF certified vehicle
that is significantly restored will lose its?
HPOF certification. HPOF certification
remains with the vehicle even if there is a
change of ownership. (See Attachment 5
HPOF Judging Form p. 44)
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I have no idea. I am pretty early in my quest to assemble a correct tool collection for my 1929 Phaeton. I would think that the best source for an answer would be the MAFCA Judging Standards Committee. According to the MAFCA website, Doug Clayton is the Chair of the Judging Standards Committee. I would contact him and he should be able to find you an answer.
Here is his contact information from the MAFCA website.
Doug Clayton - 06/04/04
Manteca, California
Delta A's
40A, 68A, 155D, 160B, 160C, 400A
original cars & restoring for show
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<img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Sorry for their loss.
I would be very interested in more information about how the fire started. It seems strange that it does not appear to have been concentrated in the engine compartment, but in the interior of the car. Also, I guess the water pump on the pavement behind the car must have been there as a result of somebody getting luggage (and spare parts) out of the car before it all burned. Otherwise, how in the heck did it end up there?
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Sounds like fun. If everything works out, I will be ready to start touring in my Model A after the 2008 AGN. Have fun, just remember not to eat at Pedro's on the way home. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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I hope you did not eat there. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> After years of seeing the signs and being amused, I once made the mistake of stopping there. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> We still comment every time we drive by, but we have not stopped there again. Love the signs... <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Hate the food.... <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />
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Skippro 55,
Judging will never be perfect because we have to use human beings as judges. Whenever we get perfect robot judges, I don't think I want to be around (and don't expect it in my lifetime).
I supervise police officers, and contrary to popular belief, they too are human. They sometimes do the job perfectly... and sometimes they do not. I get to referee whenever a citizen is unhappy with the actions of my troops. Nobody is perfect. Everybody has to understand this and be adult about it. Mistakes will occur. Differences of opinions will occur. Different interpretation will occur anytime there are any sort of rules. (Why do you think we have attorneys and judges?) The key to life is to learn to disagree agreeably. If it were my car, I would take it to another show and see what happened. If anybody is going to get mad quit a club, and go away because everything did not go there way once, it seems to me that they are going to miss out on a whole lot of great stuff in life.
As I already said, any judge making loud derogatory comments about a car or its owner should be barred from judging in the future. I suspect that it will be done in this case.
With that said, I don't think that the judge necessarily made the wrong call on the judging part of it, just by the loud comments. From the owner's own posts, we have been told that the engine compartment has multiple parts that have a finish that is more glossy than the original finish as it came from the factory. The key terms from the judging manual are:
A vehicle may be painted any authentic
color available for the model year of that
vehicle. Lacquer may be used in place of
enamel and enamel may be used in place
of lacquer, if final finish appears as it did
originally. Any type finish (lacquer, enamel,
acrylics, etc.) may be used <span style="font-weight: bold">if the final finish
simulates the original finish</span>
If paint does not simulate the original finish, it is incorrect, not overrestored. This interpretation of the rules, would justify the deductions that were apparently taken. It does not matter who owns a car, how much time or how much money was spent on the car, what matters is how the judges at a particular meet score the car based on what they see and their understanding of the rules, and how that score compares with the scores of the other cars competing in that particular class on that particular day.
You can quit and go away if you want to.... or you can stay, participate and lobby to change the rules if you don't like them. You can't change the system from the outside... only from the inside.
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"If the ground water didn't get in"
Yes, that IS the real question. It will be interesting to see..... <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Skippro55, I understand that you are disappointed, and perhaps angry. Obviously you have a legitimate concern assuming that they MCA judge overheard correctly what was related to you. Any Judge making such a comment was wrong to do so.
Novaman pointed out that the actual point spread could have been very close on the MCA scoring and the AACA scoring, assuming there was a high scoring car in your class, which appears to be true with there being One First Junior, Two 2nd Juniors and One 3rd Junior, in your class.
Class 34A
First Junior
1966 Ford Mustang..........................Brian J. McEvilly, Yardley, PA
Second Junior
1965 Ford Mustang........................Donald S. Rinaldi, Mansfield, MA
1966 Ford Mustang..............Charles L. Bailey, Reading, PA
Third Junior
1966 Ford Mustang...........................Thomas L. Gipson, Raleigh, NC
I am not a Mustang expert at all. I prefer my good old fashioned Model A Ford. I don't know if you are a member of a local AACA Chapter or Region, but it has helped me out significantly. I would offer this advice. I would suggest that you find a mentor who knows more about old cars than you do, preferably with significant judging experience. In my local chapter, we have such an individual (who happens to own a Mustang). Have him or her go over your car for you with a judging sheet in hand. A friend will tell you everything looks wonderful. [color:"blue"]A TRUE friend will give you honest suggestions to make the car better. Take notes of everything that needs attention. Then make the small improvements suggested, and have "the judge" come back over and go over the car again. Keep doing this and you will soon have a Senior Award on your car too. I thought I had everything in great shape and invited my friend over to go over the car. I was amazed at all that he found that I just could not see until he pointed it out to me. It is difficult to put your ego aside and accept positive criticism. It is imperative to do so to make the car the best that it can be. We did this before I got my 1st Junior at Asheville and also before I went to Hershey and earned the Senior Award. I hope that you understand what I am trying to say and also the manner in which it is intended. In any car, Good luck in the future with your car.
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Smoking a cigar at 100mph! That sounds like a real example of smoking being dangerous to your health. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Well that is not good news, but better news that what we first heard. Thanks for the update.
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Shoprat,
It is amazing how a small typo can change your meaning....
"your fiend's car"
(Sorry, couldn't resist) <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Novaman, Sorry to hear about your loss.
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I agree with Jay Wolf. I know nothing about this particular make of auto, but in the right condition and at the right price, I would be happy to consider adding it to my collection. I could free up enough space in the garage for another antique auto. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Fordophiles, what is you passion?
in General Discussion
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I own a 1929 Ford Model A Phaeton. I also have a 1964 Ford F100. My daily driver is a 2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor. It is a great car for work. For my personal everyday non-work transportation, I drive a GM produced SUV that I bought used because it was the best deal for pulling the trailer to haul the Model A to AACA Shows. I happen to personally think that the type of SUV that I bought fit my needs and I am not financially able to go out and buy a replacement SUV just to help out a particular manufacturer. I really like my Model A Ford, but I guess owning it does not make me a Fordophile. I tend to believe that all manufacturers must make what the customer wants and they will sell. I think that all of the domestic auto manufacturers are having some tough times right now. It is not just a Ford problem. I saw an article in the local paper a few days ago that indicated that several manufacturers were struggling with excess inventory right now.