West Peterson
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I would like to know why the Buick Series 80, which shares the engine with the Series 90, does not enjoy Classic status. It cost a lot more than a similar Auburn, and was certainly a quality-built car. Has there been discussion on this before? If so, why was the 80 left out when the 90s were let in? Certainly not because its wheelbase was a little shorter???
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 32 903 is a florentine color. </div></div>
What in heck is florentine!!! That one's not even in my dictionary. Though florin is in there as an Italian gold coin. Is the car gold? That's not terrible. At least it's not pink (or mint green
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Yes, the car in the museum.
I had to remove myself from the museum, so I'm not sure what the current situation is with that car. The Doctor that was going to buy it has an office just down the street from my new office, but I left before the "deal" was made, so I didn't know if he actually completed it (the deal). There have been a lot of problems with the museum this summer, and I assumed that the Doctor would have walked away until things smoothed out. I'll have to go over there and find out how things are going.
I forgot about the maroon convertible sedan that was recently available. Are you talking about David Miller's car? I was referring to the grey one in Arizona ($285,000).
The convertible victorias are indeed hard to drive with the top up. The one available for $185,000 is not "perfect," but very nice. It is Tom Lester's car, and mechanically perfect (engine, drivetrain, front end and steering).
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My first choice would be the 1932 903 coupe roadster, and I'm not sure I'd care what color it was. In fact, I think I'd even choose a standard eight coupe roadster from 1932 over the 1937 super eight convertible sedan.
1932, IMHO, is the best year stylingwise, as I prefer the open fenders. I would enjoy the car as long as i could with the bad color choice, and then, as time and funds could afford, paint it a more desirable color. (BTW, what color is the 903 that you found?)
My step-father has a 1937 Twelve coupe-roadster, and K8096 is right, they hardly ever show up in the classifieds. A mere phone call or two is all that is needed to send one on to the next owner. The convertible sedans, however, seem to show up quite often. In fact, I know of at least two 1937 Twelve convertible sedans for sale at the present time, and two 1937 Twelve convertible victorias. The first victoria is priced at $185,000 for a 95-plus point car with an engine built by, IMO, THE best twelve builder in the world. The other victoria is about 85 points and the asking price is $125,000 (rod knock developing). One of the convertible sedans is a National Award-winning car, concours-perfect, and he's asking $285,000. It's been for sale for about a year, now, and I don't believe he's had any serious bites at that price. The other convertible sedan could be bought for about $50,000, but it's all apart and many parts may be missing. That may include a freshly rebuilt engine, though, so the price isn't totally out of line.
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Detroit's about three hours away. I agree, there's plenty to see in the Cleveland area.
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Historically, the 1935 models have been the least desirable of the 1930s vintage Classic Packards, followed by the 1936. That may have changed with time, I don't know, but you might want to keep that in mind. And yes, the coupe-roadster is more desirable than the convertible sedan (and the convertible victoria, for that matter). The difference in desirability between a coupe-roadster and a phaeton is about the same. Probably the least desirable of the open body styles is the touring (like a phaeton, but usually has jump seats and the back seat is set further back). Some convertible sedans have a division window and some don't. I don't know which is more desirable, it might be a personal preference.
Also, $8 g's won't go very far on a V12 engine rebuild, and it probably wouldn't cover the whole cost to rebuild an 8 either. I'd say $10-12 for an 8, and you're about on the mark at $30 for a quality 12 rebuild.
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Where are you located? Maybe we can put you into touch with a Packard 12 expert in your area to help you look at it. It sure would be worth a couple hundred bucks to have an expert appraising its condition.
Of course, that doesn't guarantee you wont have problems down the road. I know someone who always tries to buy a car with the assumption that somewhere down the line he'll have to do an engine job, and offers a price accordingly. This way, he sometimes loses out because his offer is so low, but it's better than paying retail then having to do the engine. He gets enough cars this way that if the seller doesn't accept his offer, he knows there are a ton of other cars out there that are available.
If, however, you are looking for a specific year, make, model AND body style, your offerings become a lot more limited, and you end up not wanting to walk away from a deal if the price is not just right.
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I'll be busy photographing feature cars (starting at noon, til around 3:00 or 4:00). Come by and say hi.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is even a display case of Oldsmobile items.(Wonder who owns those?) </div></div>
Are you sure he hasn't just started using the Library as an extension of his garage? I'd watch him, if I were you.
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Wayne,
I've noticed several newsletters without any phone number at all, just a return address. If anyone has any questions, they should write a letter???
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Mike,
My Lincoln source knows the car, knew your grandfather, but says the car has disappeared from the radar screen.
West
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None of my books show a prewar Sunbeam. It certainly isn't for a postwar Sunbeam. It might be possible that it belongs to Jaguar, but certainly not for a Mark VII.
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What flavor?
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[bTW I'm getting PAID to be there]
And you want US to bring YOU ice cream?
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No attachment, but at that price level, if it's "restorable", it seems okay. I would think the chassis alone would be worth that much if it's complete and restorable.
Heck, the "I-found-a-Packard-12-in-a-barn" story may be worth the $10 g's all by itself.
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Moderately modified 1955-57 Chevrolets seem to hold their value quite well with original cars. However, the way you describe your intentions, it sounds like a factory-stock application done with original parts. In my opinion, this increases its value. Even if this was a "modern modification," it could easily be reversed and would not disturb the car's value. Keep the original parts; don't throw them away, don't sell them, the next owner may want them.
You might get docked a few points at seriously judged car shows, but only if there's a way to tell that the car originally came with the 2-bbl. carb. If you're intending to show it seriously, I'd check into what's accepted in judging situations and find out if there's any tell-tale clues as to the car's original equipment. I'm not an expert, but I don't think there's anything that would tip anyone off. There were more than 400,000 Chevrolets built with the 4-bbl carb in 1957.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it all depend on how much tax a country puts on top of the actual price of gas?
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[That was the setup I did in 2004 trying to set them up by color. I believe it took about 2+ hours because we had a few folks from Mn that felt they should be in front and ignored the theme.]
John,
You can always tell a Minnesotan... you just can't tell him much.
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I suggest calling the event coordinator, Cameron Buchanan. 941-496-4888
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This M Herd sounds exactly like a problem character often found in the Packard forum: Peter Hartmann. Hartman has a whole bunch of aliases, and his only M.O. is to ruffle your feathers. It doesn't matter what you tell him... it doesn't matter how sincere you are in your responses, he will counter with something totally off base. The ABSOLUTE BEST way to handle him, or anyone who acts the same way, i.e. M Herd, is to ignore his posts by NOT POSTING ANY RESPONSES WHATSOEVER!!
Shop Rat, and others, it's hard not to cover each other's back when someone like this enters the forum, but I guarantee you, if you just stay "on subject" with what the post is about and make ZERO responses to [M Herds and Peter Hartmanns], you will stay on the high road.
Someone once said, "the problem with getting into the mud and fighting with pigs is that you BOTH get dirty... However, the PIG likes it."
Keep that in mind and keep your cool.
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Hi Mike,
I remember your grandfather well. What a great guy. I used to go on the CCCA CARavans every year in the 1960s and '70s, and he, too, was on them with that car. The thing that was unique about that car was that it was pretty much all original, and was always scoring in the mid 90-point range at Grand Classics.
I'll ask around and see if anyone knows where this car is today. I sort of recall seeing a similar car, if not the same car, in California.
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What a great car. It's wonderful to see such machinery on the road where it looks right at home.
Your hood ornament brings back 40-year-old memories for me. When I used to go on CCCA CARavans with my family when I was too young to drive, I remember Bob Turnquist's well-traveled 1937 Packard 12 club sedan always had this mascot on it. When I got married, my wife gave me the mascot for a wedding present (she got pearls). I display it on a lighted pedestal in my dining room, and it not only reminds me of the wonderful day I got married, but also of those wonderful CARavans that I consider some of the best times of my life.
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What a sight.
It wasn't the first-ever CCCA CARavan, however, as the club's been doing them yearly (sometimes more than one per year) since 1953 when members went to Detroit.
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Finishing up the September/October issue this afternoon, "lisnin to the gospel music on a certain riedio station," and I heard a new car song that I ain't heard 'fore.
"Five pounds of possum in my headlights tonight."
A song 'bout what's gonna be fer dinnr dat night, with what's ben hit by the Buick. Mmmmm. Mix it with a little maw-gaw and you go yerself a real delite.
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And if you're in Kalamazoo, it's not that far from Chicago... Before you know it, we'll be getting recommendations for the Nethercutt and Petersen Museums in L.A.