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Here is a link to a more difficult project than the Pierce, but just as cool......
1912 National 40 Speedway Roadster Model V
Ed
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Here are two "OLD" barn finds that have now left my garage and are still very fond memories. I use to never sell cars, but just how much does one person need? Both are never before seen cars when I found them, both with very important histories. The red car came from a pole barn parked in 1969, the other never left the estate in Newport till it was restored and lost due to a bad loan. I became the first non family owner of it. Vanderbuilt bought it new. Take a stab at making an ID. They now both belong to very close friends. I visit them often. (Both the cars and the friends.) Ed
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Steve, drive it like you stole it! Ed
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No! The Ohio car was very decent, I'll try and post a photo if I have it. That car came from Bill's Junk Yard in RI. Picked up several interesting projects lately but I don't usually post them. Ed
This was a car one the West coast that we dug up last year after sitting since 1951 with 30,000 on the clock. That's the way it came out of the barn / garage. The best 36 to 38 PA with all factory paint I have ever seen. It's now in a friends garage in the mid west. ( I didn't own it, just got the two parties togeather. )
Photo of the Ohio car now enclosed.
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My guess is at 60 k it's still ten cents on the dollar if the car were a true and pure all 1910 machine. I would still be proud of it when finished with the later engine. Even with 7 figure funds, the pre 1913 Pierce Arrows are not easy to pry out of the hands of their owners. It usually takes an estate sale before one lets a machine like that go. In our neck of the woods we call it a floor sweeping car. Sweep up whatever left over parts from several other restorations and build one more. I'm ok with it, as it great to see such rare machines running down the road. Ed
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Put them in a cheap toaster oven on broil, leave them there for about two hours each, they will be fine. PS Place the toaster oven OUTSIDE! I have done this many times and it works ok as a cheap fix. Reline would be best. Ed
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Looks like it's been out in the brush for 80 years! It's gonna make someone a good project car or help assemble a few more. Good luck to all.......
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Su8overdrive..... this thread was not about authenticity questions or problems. It sure sounds like you mind is made up and therefore I won't bother to answer. I suggest you take the CCCA judging classes, become a student judge, then an accredited judge, then master judge, and then a national event head judge, run through the problems and issues related to them, (tabulation and owner directed questions and problems.) then comment on what you think is a fair, verifiable solution to your complaints. If the issue is truly important to you, the effort should no be too great. It would probably only take 7 to 10 years. As there is no perfect system of government, there is no perfect system of judging cars. We can only strive to do the very best we can. This is supposed to be a FUN hobby, and it takes all kinds of collectors from the Pebble Beach crowd to the as found barn find cars. I find them all interesting. Ed.
PS- Dave, thanks for the kind words. I must admit the more I study the cars of the CCCA era, the more I see that there were very few hard rules to what was being shipped out was "always" done one way or another.
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WOW! I have had my first post removed. I had to run the quote that was posted through google to find out where it was from...... Since it was directly related to judging I didn't think my additional comment was out of line or religiously based. Guess the higher up authority thought it was....... well, no foul, no harm. Steve, maybe we can judge your 120 at the CCCA judging seminar. We have used non classics before when enough full classics were not available. It's good feedback to see how you judge your own car compared to 25 or more other people. There is lots of good information exchanged at the seminars. You can sign up to become a "student" judge, and then go on to become an accredited judge through the CCCA program. Attend a few grand classics and run a seminar and you can earn the Master Judge pin. I'm pretty sure it is safe to say that both AJ and myself have been the youngest member at a CCCA meet dozens of times. Ed
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It would be a good idea to post the CCCA judging video on the CCCA website for the members. Maybe it could be posted to youtube for all to see? Ed
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Ed, I should have guessed you were a judge. You can show him my Stutz engine and explain why it's a zero deduction
SURE! Because I have personally inspected it and do hereby declare it's perfect! Ed
REMEMBER:
Before you judge a man's car, drive a mile in his wheels. After that, who cares? He’s a mile away and you’ve got his Classic!
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Steve, If you want some help on CCCA judging, come up to the shop in Springfield and we can go over some cars. Ed
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Try this for some insight......
"Our judgements judge us, and nothing reveals us, exposes our weaknesses, more ingeniously than the attitude of pronouncing upon our fellows automobile"
Even now after hours of reflection, I still cant comprehend what I have written. (plagiarized)
Ed Minnie, CCCA Master Judge #24
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Cobalt is added to the glass to remove yellow tint from the basic molten glass, if you add too much, it turns rose or purple with age. So I have been told. Ed
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In many ways the Marmon 16 fans are lucky that they are a misunderstood car that scare off lots of potential collectors. The fact is they are very under rated automobile, probably due to their lines not being quite as attractive as the other cars in the same class. I have driven four or five of them, and I can assure you that if you test drive a V-16 Caddy and a Marmon side by side, you would never look at a Cadillac V-16 again. The Marmon will just drive circles around the Caddy. While I can't say I have driven every CCCA classic platform, I have driven most of them, and the 16 Marmon is in the top five of American super cars. (CCCA)
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Can someone post a photo of the one off Jack Benney 12, a factory custom if I remember correctly. Thanks, Ed
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Excuse me, have you seen Boo-Boo or Ranger Smith?
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In that part of the world "BLING" seems to be a requirement and have no limits, in the Classic Era or today. I have had quite a bit of contact with collectors in India and other countries that I would never had thought there was a collector car following. With fewer cars at hand to look at or play with, their scholarship on automotive history is very impressive. Ed
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I was fortunate to meet Lee and Anne on a CCCA caravan in the mid eighties. Over the years I was able to spend some time with him looking for insights to the many people he had come in contact over the long and productive life he had lived. Political giants, scientists, inventors, scholars, the list was endless, like Lee's life accomplishments. I learned many details of this true American hero's life from his wife Ann, as he was much too modest to even mention a small list of his work that helped to change the world. He truly was a gentlemen's gentleman. I was with him on the Maine caravan in September 11 watching the TV at the Owls Head Transportation Museum when the planes struck the towers. His wisdom and insight proved a correct and clear analysis of how the world would change and what it would mean to the USA for years to come. Rest easy my friend, and thank you for everything you did for our wonderful nation, Ed Minnie
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Hi Bernie, there are lots of us who do not post too often but enjoy every post and photo you share. THANK YOU for all of your posts. Ed
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It's a 1934 to 1938 Pierce Arrow lens. They were used on the closed cars in the rear as vanity lights, there was also a round dome light that went on when you opened the passenger side door. Ed
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Do you use a roller burnishing tool for babbitt on your jobs? In the era wasn't all production babbitt jobs done with such a tool? What amount of additional crush was placed on the babbitt? Any info would be helpfull