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New worms are in process....... it will be interesting to see how they turn out. I'll let you know in a few weeks.
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P.S. Franklin used a much smaller and "less expensive" Gemmer box. Most companies made several size and quality boxes. The Gemmer 215 failure rate seems to be from lack of lubrication. IMPORTANT NOTE: Early Gemmer 215 series used pot metal race supports on the sector shaft roller wheel bearing, if they fail while driving total loss of steering can result. No further comment needed, if you have a 215 it should be removed and checked out fore this condition.
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Hi, the Pierce Arrow used a Gemmer 215 series box. So did Stutz, L29 Cord, Du Pont, and others. In the last few months a restoration shop has designed and improved the 215 series, with all new parts and bearings as well as removing the sector shaft bushing and installing a bearing. New modern seals are installed as well. They are using ATF for lubrication with no leaks. The box and worm must be extensively modified but when done it works as good as a Ross. The shops name is Classic Auto Restoration in Indian Orchard Ma. The owner is John Cislak. Phone number is 413-543-9017
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Dynaflash8, I have owned more than a dozen CCCA Classic cars. Not one of them had such a short wheelbase as 127", or only 320 cid. As I look in my garage 147" is the norm, with average displacement over 450 cid. My favorite car tips the scale at 6250 lbs. List price when new was 7500.00 . While I like and admire the Buicks of all the 30's and think they were one of the best cars for value on what the customer spent per dollar, I invite you to park it next to a 1931 P 1 Springfield Rolls, a 1933 Pierce 1247, or any of the other American super cars and while the Buick is a very fine machine, it can't hold it's own against them. P. S. A 32 Buick series 90 roadster has been on my want list for more than 20 years, I just have not found the right on yet. I have actually started collecting hard to find spare 32 90 series items and literature in anticipation of getting my hands on one.
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All of the posted info shows why the Buick is not a classic. Small displacement of 320 CID, and a relatively short wheelbase, as well as a very low sticker price. Very fine automobiles and a very good bargain for the money. But still not a classic.
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Exactly the reason I started this thread! The CCCA was and is supposed to be an EXCLUSVE club for cars that are the best of the best in a certain time period. If the club was so terrible why are people constantly trying to get their car included after it has been rejected 20 times! See the Penalty of Leadership text! That's why I posted it. Still some people just don't get it. It is not a club for all cars OR people. It is a club conceived around a set of ideas and bylaws which some of the current "liberal feel good make everybody happy" board members corrupted the high standards and bylaws by adding a post war non qualified car to the list. Now all the shadow almost cars want in too. It is what happens when standards are dropped. For a direct example look at what is going on in this country and society. VERY SAD. :mad:
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THE PENALTY OF LEADERSHIP
In every field of human endeavor, he that is first must perpetually live in the white light of publicity. Whether the leadership be vested in a man or in a manufactured product, emulation and envy are ever at work. In art, in literature, in music, in industry, the reward and the punishment are always the same. The reward is widespread recognition; the punishment, fierce denial and detraction. When a man's work becomes a standard for the whole world, it also becomes a target for the shafts of the envious few. If his work be mediocre, he will be left severely alone - if he achieves a masterpiece, it will set a million tongues a-wagging. Jealousy does not protrude its forked tongue at the artist who produces a commonplace painting. Whatsoever you write, or paint, or play, or sing, or build, no one will strive to surpass or to slander you unless your work be stamped with the seal of genius. Long, long after a great work or a good work has been done, those who are disappointed or envious, continue to cry out that it cannot be done. Spiteful little voices in the domain of art were raised against our own Whistler as a mountback, long after the big would had acclaimed him its greatest artistic genius. Multitudes flocked to Bayreuth to worship at the musical shrine of Wagner, while the little group of those whom he had dethroned and displaced argued angrily that he was no musician at all. The little world continued to protest that Fulton could never build a steamboat, while the big world flocked to the river banks to see his boat steam by. The leader is assailed because he is a leader, and the effort to equal him is merely added proof of that leadership. Failing to equal or to excel, the follower seeks to depreciate and to destroy - but only confirms once more the superiority of that which he strives to supplant. There is nothing new in this. It is as old as the world and as old as human passions - envy, fear, greed, ambition, and the desire to surpass. And it all avails nothing. If the leader truly leads, he remains - the leader. Master-poet, master-painter, master-workman, each in his turn is assailed, and each holds his laurels through the ages. That which is good or great makes itself known, no matter how loud the clamor of denial. That which deserves to live - lives.
What applied in 1915 to the lesser cars still applies to the want to be Classics of today. T/C and all the others. Ed
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Frederick D. Roe at 88
by Chesmore Funeral Home 11/14/09
Frederick Dix Roe, 88, a Holliston resident since 1946, died Thursday, November 12, 2009, at the Timothy Daniels House in Holliston. Born in Maryland , he was the husband of the late Barbara (Warfield) Roe who passed in 2000.
An Army WW II veteran and a recipient of a Purple Heart, he saw action in Europe .
He is survived by his sons, Frederick W. Roe & wife Susan of Poughkeepsie, NY, and Donald W. Roe and wife Linda of St. Louis, MO. He also leaves behind a sister, Genevieve Flickinger of Buffalo, NY; five grandchildren, Christopher, Jennifer, Eric, Elizabeth and Cameron, and four great-grandchildren, Brittney, Jake, Jenna and Hanna.
Fred attended Phillips Exeter Academy and MIT. His life long passion was the history of old cars and in pursuit of this was a founding member of the Rolls Royce Owner's club with membership in the Classic Car Club, The Society of Automotive Historians and a past Director of the Larz Anderson Museum . He wrote the award winning book, "Dusenberg: Pursuit of Perfection".
He was an avid fan of Jazz music played locally. Before retiring he worked for Sears Roebuck and then State Lumber.
Visitation will be held on Tuesday, November 17, 2009, from 4 to 7 pm at the Chesmore Funeral Home, 854 Washington Street (Rt. 126) Holliston. A Graveside service will be held on Wednesday at 10:00 at Lake Grove Cemetery in Holliston.
In lieu of flowers memorial contributions may be sent to either Downtown Marigold Project 310 Woodland Street, Holliston, MA 01746, or the Holliston Library 752 Washington Street, Holliston, MA. 01746
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I have just rear on the web site Prewarcar.com that longtime member and historian Fred Roe passed away on Nov.12 , he was a good friend to many in the CCCA New England Region, and I enjoyed may conversations with him over the last twenty years. Rest in peace my friend. Ed Minnie
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Gentelmen, I have found a source that made the 18 inch beauty rings just a few months ago. I have the patterns and bucks. I will be making a run of them in early Jan 2010. Contact me at edinmass@aol.com if interested in a set of beauty rings. They should fit Buick, Pierce, and Stude 18 inch wire wheels. Thanks, Ed
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Hi, The wheels will fit several cars, I need them for a 32 Pierce. I also need the beauty rings for them. The Buick guys made them back several years ago, and I was hoping to find a set on the shelf some place as they are no longer made. Thanks, Ed
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Hi, I am looking for a set of 6 1932 18 inch wire wheels. Any condition considered. Willing to pay for shipping cross country. Please respond to edinmass@aol.com Thanks.
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Brassnutboyz, please send me your email and contact information. My email address is packardsp8@aol.com Thanks.
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Hi, It was thought that only three Atlas motor cars remain. Two 2 cyl 35 hp, and one 4cyl 60 hp. Yours would make 4 known. I was working on the 4 cyl to help a friend get it ready for a tour later this month. Do you have a car or just an engine? I would like to see a photo if it if possible. Atlas was built by Harry Knox of Knox motor car and fire truck fame in Springfield Ma, my hometown. The Knox Motor Car Club also has Atlas members as they were built by the same man. Thanks, Ed
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Hi, I have a very nice 12 cyl spoke wheel. It will be listed on ebay soon, or call 413-543-9017 east coast business hours. Ebay store Pierce-Parts-store John Cislak PAS member
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Very nice automobile. Drive it like you stole it. As far as the colors and comments about them, the 32 color chips I have show it as STRAW and BURNT ORANGE MOON. The colors look very close. Don't take it apart, drive it the way she is, it looks fine. Ed
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Hello, call 413-543-9017 during east coast business hours and ask for Jon. He has one for sale in his ebay store. Or go look it up on ebay. The store name is PIERCE_PARTS_STORE good luck.
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It seems that there has been a development in the Town & Country issue. I don't have a direct club statment but it seems the T&C is on hold. Does anybody have the club statement? If so please post it here. Ed Minnie
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The room the car is in is the Pierce Arrow showroom that has now been converted into a bank. It was a Cadillac dealership for years. It was NOT the main showroom at the factory. The floor tiles were a very interesting shade of blue/purple that are still there. Legend has it that the car was placed on display and had to be removed due to mutiple accidents from people looking at the car and not the road. I am suprised that my good friend Dave didn't know the car.
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Hello, Look in the What is it section of the AACA subjects line and look at the post marked Is this a Pierce Arrow? Very interesting car.
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Hi, The car is a 1930 Pierce Arrow Series A Brunn Town Car. It was built for the Sha of Iran, Reza Sha Pavalli. The car was the most expensive car ever built to date as it has SOLID GOLD bright work. It sold for over 30,000. The uhpolstery had a crest on it as well. I purchased the lap robe for this car from Herman Brunns' daughter in the 80's. You can see a video of this car on you tube, now painted blue. Just go to youtube and type in Iran car museum to see the video of a great bunch of cars. If you have any other questions about the car just post them. P.S. The unpublished photo you posted is VERY COOL!
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The Gemmer box in the Franklin is much lighter than the Pierce box. Usually the worm is good, just the bearing surface for the upper and lower race are bad. John has a few boxes for parts, give him a ring...Ed
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Hi Tom, The Gemmer steering boxes are almost never in useable condition. They have several design flaws that cause severe pitting of the worm bearing. They also tend to have roller and sector shaft problems. Jon Cislak of classic auto restoration has just started a Gemmer box overhaul and improvment project, and is advertising on the Pierce Arrow Society website for rebuilding the boxes with all new bearings, and removing the bushings and installing needle bearings. You can reach him at 413-543-9017 during east coast business hours. Good Luck ..... Ed
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I was informed that the classification comitee has approved Chrysler Town And Country post war cars as an approved Classic. If it is true then the current board members are not keeping the high standards of the club that have remained intact for the last 50 years. Post war cars DO NOT BELONG IN THE CCCA. It is not part of the charge and charter of the club. It should be recinded at once. If I was interested in post war cars I would join a club that caters to them. It seems that all standards across the board in this nation are being corrupted. It is truly tragic that it has come to this....... Edgar Minnie CCCA life member, master judge #24,
Gemmer Steering on KA/KB Lincolns
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New worms are for the 215 series box. Pierce, Stutz, Du Pont, .....ect.